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Topic: Elf and Eiki Projectors - Advice
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John Whittle
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 791
From: Northridge, CA USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted November 20, 2004 09:51 AM
Here is a rough run down of the various models:
MS-850 from early 1960s. Two sprocket, forward only, tube amp
MS-860 (President in US) Three sprocket, forward, reverse, solid state
S-series first self threader, withdrawn due to poor performance
ST-series replacement for the S-series. First to use EJL 24 volt lamp, solid state, self thread, forward reverse. Toggle switches for forward reverse. Still used motor windings for amp power
RT-series (Royal in the US) rotary control, new transformer supplied both lamp (24 volt) and amp power. Heavy all metal machine (plastics started with later models)Early amps had large integrated circuits. Many many revisions on this model as it lasted a long time. New cam tank and cast metal pull down cam.
NT-series successor to the RT machine, black in color. Many minor engineering refinements
SL-series Eiki's first slot loader (to compete with Bell & Howell and Elmo). The machine was quickly replaced with the SL-II with many design improvements. Much better take-up arm clutch design from the earlier version that started with the MS-860.
SNT- Eiki's last design with the new "slim line" version of the NT but with many many changes. Larger sprockets, improved threading and even an electronic control model (ENT). Many more sensors on this machine (knows if there is film in the path and goes into reverse projection rather than rewind, etc). First time Eiki uses the SL style take up arm on a self threader.
SSL The new slim version of the SL projector. Again many engineering changes, larger sprockets, better film handling.
Then there are the various Xenon models. Those cross several lines. For example there are several versions of the EX-1500. Some have the small lens holder of the President and later ones have the newer gate and lens holder of the ST series.
Remember we're taking about various products made over a 40 year period so by and large the later machines (SNT and SSL) have the advantage of all the lessons Eiki learned but they also have more plastic parts than the MS-850 (very heavy) MS-860 and ST and RT machines. Getting motors for the early machines might require you buy another of the same model for parts (and hope that the motor is OK). I went thru motors on my MS-860s since I think those were underpowered and the additional windings to provide the amp voltages didn't help.
John
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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1261
From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted November 21, 2004 09:59 PM
John,
I collect 8 and 16mm. With the 16's, I'm running B&H models 1574 &1545.
The reason for my question is two fold. Sometimes I hear some WOW while the films are starting up, and afterwards, I notice some wear between the soundtrack and picture.
I clean the films, run them between rewinds, and constantly use a Q-Tip swab to clean the rails of the pressure plate, and aperature plate between reels.
Is there something that I am overlooking, or is it the machines?
Are the Eiki Machines better units than the ones which I'm using? Also, I have never seen an ELF Projector? Regards, Michael
-------------------- Isn't it great that we can all communicate about this great hobby that we love!
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