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Topic: Storing 16mm feature films
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Igshaan Safodien
Junior
Posts: 8
From: Cape Town, South Africa
Registered: Oct 2015
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posted October 30, 2015 05:14 AM
I recently purchased about twenty 16mm films that was in storage for 30 years. Some of the titles has never been released on DVD such as Detroit 9000, Warm December, Angel (1984), McIvor, The Robbery, El Macho, etc There are some films such as One Eyed Jacks, Mr Majestyk I don't mind watching on film, although I own DVD as well. But there is some old spaghettic westerns of Clint Walker that I have not seen yet. So this is very exciting for me. It's like discovering some lost treasure.
They packed in their original fibre cases, some on two 2000ft reels and others on three 1600ft reels. I love the different colour metal reels such as blue, orange, white, red, etc, but some are in bad shape with lots of rust. The fibre cases with leather straps are also in bad shape covered in thick dust and holes in them.
The reels and film are extremely dirty from all the years of storage with some spider nests on some film. Some of the films appear to be slightly warped. So I am desperately trying to see if I can obtain FilmGaurd from Film-Tech. Everybody says it can't be shipped to South Africa, but what if I arrange for it to be collected and ship via ocean freight with my forwarder. It will take two months to get here, but worth the wait. I sent an email to Film-Tech, but still waiting for a reply.I really want to clean and lubricate these old films.
Then, my next dilemma, is how to store these films. I love these old fibre boxes with handles and straps. They each have a character and tells a story from the past. I can see they from an old film library that rented out films. So the ones in good shape I will keep, but the majority of them I will have to get rid off. It's a pity they don't make these boxes anymore.
I will also need some new 2000ft plastic reels because some of the metal reels are badly rusted. Should I replace all films with 2000ft plastic reels or only replaced bad metal reels?
Then what is the best way to store my films. Ideally I would like to keep a feature film with both 2000ft reels in one plastic can. Or is it best to store each film reel in one can. I am scared that some years from now, the reels may go missing if kept apart. I have seen so many collectors with films with missing reels.
If I order a 2000ft 35mm plastic storage can, will two 2000ft 16mm reels be able to fit in it? Or is it best to store one reel per plastic can? How do most collectors store their 16mm feature films? All in separate cans?
Then which plastic film cans is better, Tuscan or Stil?
Is Tuscan the only manufacturer that still makes 16mm film reels? Is there perhaps another manufacturer?
I was also thinking of moving the films with three 1600ft reels onto two 2000ft reels. Is this a good idea?
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Ross Gibbs
Junior
Posts: 26
From: Blue Mountains, Australia
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted October 31, 2015 11:10 PM
Plastic reels are best but metal are fine if the condition is ok, and you can store them with some level of humidity and temperature control. Film guard is great for cleaning and reconditioning.
Tuscan grey 16 mm Archival cans are great, they have air slots and ribbed interior to let air flow around the print. I got a copy of The Day The Earth Stood Still about 4 years ago. When it arrived there was a hint of VS around a reel, but after a run through with film guard and Tuscan storage, in reasonable (but not ideal) conditions, there is not a hint of VS on the print.
PS Label your prints properly and you won't loose reels.
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Igshaan Safodien
Junior
Posts: 8
From: Cape Town, South Africa
Registered: Oct 2015
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posted November 15, 2015 03:52 PM
So after weeks of contacting many film suppliers, I made a decision. I ordered a box of 16mm storage cans from DANCAN in Barcelona. Its made from a plastic called Moplen and includes ventilation holes. It was really much cheaper that suppliers in USA and goods from Europe come into South Africa duty free.
I have also ordered a full box of 2300ft 16mm plastic reels from Taylor Corporation in USA. Tuscan no longer manufcatures 16mm film reels.
But I have had no response from the guys at Film-Tech regarding FilmGuard. I would have arranged a collection and shipped it ocean freight without any problems, but I can't wait anymore. I have decided to simply use swabs of Isopropyl Alcohol that you obtain from any pharmacy and use that to clean these old dusty films. But some of them are really dry and warped, so I am kind of sad that I can't get FilmGuard.
Maybe I am lucky but I got a free 5 litre can of film waxing solution from an old film distributor in South Africa which specializes in asian martial arts films. They still have 16mm and 35mm film prints including negatives in a warehouse. But its all low budget and old school martial arts films.
Anyway, once I clean my old dirty 16mm films with alcohol swabs, I will apply this wax solution to them as well. I am not sure if I must apply it to the side of the reel or use a cloth during hand rewind.
Because I am so tired of watching red coloured films, I decided to buy 5 new martial arts films from this supplier. Four of them were still sealed in plastic, still rolled on a core as it came from the lab. When I saw these films rolled around the core, I only then realized what the split reel was meant to be used for. I bought it some months earlier thinking it was a regular reel, but could never figure out how to use it because there was a screw in the way. Its a good thing I kept it because it came in handy as well as my hand rewinds. The other titles was on reels. The seller threw in another two 16mm movies for free and a old can of film waxing solution which I was grateful for.
It is such a pleasure to have a 16mm film with all the original leaders (with number countdown) and tails as the print came from the lab. These are not original prints though, but copies. All I can make out is letters AG 2S written on film and some numbers. Its possible that the AG 2S could have been written on original film and the copy is Eastman. But I don't see Eastman written anywhere. Only time will tell if these prints are AGFA or Eastman.
It was such a pleasure watching these brand new prints with no scratches and with nice colour. The colours seem a bit on the warm side though with a greenish tint, so even though they new, I think there has been some fade. It lacks the high contrast and sharpness or maybe this is because these are copies.
I was bit disappointed though because I expected these martial arts films to be in all scope format but two titles were in letterboxed widescreen, Jackie Chan's Twinkle Twinkle Lucky Stars and Jet Lee's Born to Defence. The seller did mention they sometimes used to make 16mm prints from 35mm films. The colours were beautiful on Jet Lee film, the best print I have so far in my collection, except for Sign of the Pagan (IB Technicolour. I wish I can buy more westerns or war films in IB Technicolour. I simply love these films and it would be great to have in my collection.
I was actually after original martial arts prints because films from China also used a Technicolor dye process and therefore these old classic martial arts films don't fade. But it does not help if distributors locally made copies. And this seller can't distinguish between original and copy anymore. They have been too long in their warehouse. I plan to buy some more when I have some more money, but its going to be another gamble.
The other three titles that was on reels were also brand new but was all faded red. I assume they were all Eastman prints. There was also a faint vinegar smell from these films on reels. I don't think its a good idea to use these plastic reels from vinegar smelling films on my good prints. It's a pity because these films are rare titles: Lee Majors in political thriller called "Agency" and westen with Christopher Clarke called "Chance" and other red faded film was Billy Chong kunf fu movie called "Super Power."
So the big question how long before my nice new prints begin to fade? Do I use this wax solution on new prints as well and how do I apply it? Someone meantioned I should use cotton wool soaked in this wax solution and apply it to the sides of the film whilst on the reel, like they do with 35mm films.
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Jeff Missinne
Film Handler
Posts: 69
From: Superior, WI USA
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 30, 2016 01:35 PM
I would never recommend cleaning films with isopropyl alcohol; it could do some serious damage. I'm not sure what exactly is in that "film waxing solution" shown in your post; does the product have an ingredient list on it anywhere?
A lot of film cleaning products, past and present, contained wax as an ingredient to make films (especially new prints) run more smoothly. It could be that the "film waxing solution" is a cleaner as well; if the label lists the main ingredient as trichlorethane, methyl chloroform, perchlorethylene or something similar, it is probably both a cleaner and wax.
Looking at that can, I can't quite figure how it opens. Is it like a paint can where the whole lid comes off? If so, the product was probably meant for use in an automatic machine (dump the can's contents into the machine and it does the rest...)
The best way to handle the solution might be to divide it into some smaller metal cans from which it could be poured. In the US, they are called solvent cans and most paint stores sell new clean quart size ones for a few dollars each.
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