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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 02, 2019 06:16 AM

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Hi,

i just bought this 16mm projecteur (26€) but it was not package well so the lamp and the handle broke. Since it's my first 16mm machine i want to ask some help on what to check first and were i can found the lamp. All the website i know don't have it.
The mechanism seems to work but wenn the revers mode is activated there is a small noise (click-click-...).

Here some picture of it, it still cleaning it but it was very dirty i even found some insect in it.

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 02, 2019 09:50 AM

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I found this hack, does someone try it?

https://youtu.be/6OQHwqGnb0U

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Maurice Leakey
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posted April 02, 2019 11:07 AM

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Pierre
The hack is not suitable for your projector. The American projector had a DJL lamp which is 150 watts at 120 volts.
I believe your Micron uses a DKM lamp which is 250 watts at 21.5volts with a G17q base.
Here is an eBay sale for a similar projector as yours. It shows a plate with details of its lamp used.
https://www.ebay.ph/itm/PROJECTEUR-FILM-16mm-OPL-MICRON-25-SUPER-MICROTECNICA-ULTRASOLVER-/301902951154
Here is a link to supplier on eBay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DKM-21-5-Volt-250-Watt-Bulb-21-5V-250W-Lamp-GE-General-Electric-NEW-L12-/262478297691

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 02, 2019 11:09 AM

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You seem to have a special lamp. My Micron (9.5, modified from a 16 machine) uses the common lamps. If you're looking for the model shown in the YouTube video, the French reference is G17Q, but of course that's the shape of the lamp, you need also the voltage and the wattage.
These projectors are known for having a plastic piece (I don't know the name in English, in French it's "vis sans fin") that get damaged with time and should be replaced by a metallic piece.

I would advise you to test the projector with a leader or a film you don't rellay care for.

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 02, 2019 06:20 PM

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It's too bad this hack cannot work, since this type of lamp is no longer fabricate so eventually (even know) this lamp will be very expensive.

If i hack a holder from a super 8 and out the right voltage lamp? Like this:

here the picture of the broken lamp:

For the worm screw ("vis sans fin") i can't find a metallic piece just plastic (do you have a website for it) and after reading the different topics in the forum changing this screw seems to be complicate because of the calibration after the replacement.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 03, 2019 02:24 AM

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I'm afraid I don't know where you can find a new worn gear. Van Eck seems not manufacturing them. Maybe you could call Célestin, the repairman. He has some spares.

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 03, 2019 08:01 AM

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I give a call to Celestin's shop, he don't have the worm gear to sell, he keep them for futur reparation. During the call he say we can hack the lamp with a 24v 250W halogen but it will illuminate less.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 03, 2019 09:03 AM

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Before investing any money in this projector, I would test it with a (non valuable) film. By the way, Célestin is not cheap. Try first without lamp (since you haven't got any), then, if possible, with a powerfull torch (to check the stability of the picture).

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Jonathan Wood
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posted April 04, 2019 09:28 AM

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Hi Pierre,
It might be worth posting on the film handlers forum on the main Film -Tech site. I once obtained some spares for my Micron projector from a gentleman on that site . Sorry I can’t remember who he was . Mine had several cracked nylon gears and to be honest I’ve never got around to fixing it. They seem nice projectors but I’d be cautious of investing too much time and effort in them as they are so rare and parts are going to be super rare . If you’re new to this , I’d suggest looking for a more common machine for which spares are more readily available. Sorry to not be more helpful but I think you might find less frustration with a late model Elmo or EIKI . 😀 jon

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 06, 2019 05:10 PM

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It's a shame. I like very much to buy broken thing and fixe it, after the object have a bigger sentimental value.
Everyone had tell me to forget it and buy a better one. So i sell it (it's take a few hour after i post the annonce), i hope the new owner can be a better repairman than me.
And now i buy a elki RT1 for 70€, i hope this one is better. A lot of person advise me to choose this one because it hasn't the worm gear problem. I will inform you next week wenn it arrive.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 06, 2019 05:34 PM

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Eiki is a good make. Your projector will more than probably come with a 50 mm lens. Don't be surprised to see that for the same distance the projected picture is often smaller than with a super 8 machine although 16 mm is wider. The reason is that this gauge is half professional and 16 mm projectors are intended for large rooms. If you project in a place that doesn't allow you to set the projector at a long distance from the screen, you can later invest (if you like your Eiki) in a Lens with a lower figure (but they are not cheap) like 38 mm or, better 25 mm if your room is very small. A more economic solution is to buy a lens convector (you screw it in front of the lens) that will turn it in a kind of zoom. You will loose some light but it's acceptable since 16 mm projectors are in general brighter than super 8 ones.

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 06, 2019 05:56 PM

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I hope their will be not bad suprise with this projector. I will project film in the backyard (garden) so the distance is not a issue and if i use it in my room it will be just for testing the movie.

I don't know if a need to start a another thread but the loop catcheur (rattrapeur de boucle) of the eiki, is it very dangerous for the film?
The flea market season begin maybe i will be lucky. For the lens i have to search specific one for the projector or camera lens and lens from other product can work ?

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 06, 2019 06:22 PM

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I have no problem with the loop restorer (I'm not sure if the correct name in English) but it's never good to have damaged perforations (I try to fix them with a tape splicer).
Lenses are not standard. From what I know, any Eiki lens will work on any Eiki projector but only few other makes will work.
When you will have tester your projector, if everything is ok, I advise you to buy a spare lamp (actually, two : one for the picture and one for the sound).
Try to find a pair of rewinders, several models can be used (with adaptators) for different gauges.

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Pierre Mdihi
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posted April 07, 2019 12:20 PM

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Yes i have heard your advise the pair of rewinder are in a package coming slowly to me. And i'm looking for the cir tapeand the lens, specially a anamorphic lens. I'm very exited to test this new projector.

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Dominique De Bast
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posted April 07, 2019 12:54 PM

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If, as you said, it's not an issue for you to use a 50 mm lens, I would stick with it at the beginning to limit the costs. A splicer, however is a must. Cir is certainly the best make but also the most expensive. I have a CIR in 9,5 but for 16 mm, I use a much cheaper one I bought at a film fair in Belgium.

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