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From: dundonald,belfast,co.antrim,northern ireland.
Registered: Jan 2006
posted June 29, 2006 12:51 PM
hi there fellow members,is it true that mr.lucas is set to release the star wars movies again. but this time without the added scenes. that means the way we the public saw them in 1977,1980,1983. i wonder why?.andy.
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From: Enfield, U.K.
Registered: Aug 2003
posted June 29, 2006 04:23 PM
Andy,
Technically the original films are a bonus disc, as for the 1st time Lucas is releassing the special editions seperately, and the original cuts are being released as an extra, there going to be widescreen, but only DD2.0 (Doly Pro Logic) sound, and they will only be available for I believe 3 months.
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From: dundonald,belfast,co.antrim,northern ireland.
Registered: Jan 2006
posted June 29, 2006 05:03 PM
thanks for the info barry.so the original movies will have the same soundtracks as the old laser discs. should have good quailty sound.andy.
posted June 30, 2006 02:50 AM
But probably not as good as the laser discs!!!
Still, it's good the bloke has finally come to his senses. Now everyone can sling away all that butchered re-hashed rubbish and see the films as they really were.
Now that should get some debate going!!!
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From: Berlin, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar System
Registered: Apr 2006
posted June 30, 2006 08:35 AM
I fear that this is only a rumor - like the DVD-Versions of Episode I, II and III that enables you to switch to a version without any apperance of Jar Jar Binks
posted June 30, 2006 10:02 AM
Sadly, 14 year-old laserdisc transfers are being used for the original trilogy with no anamorphic enhancement for widescreen televisions. Lucas claims the originals 'no longer exist' so newer elements are not available for transfer.
Many fans are planning to pass on this debacle in protest.
posted June 30, 2006 06:12 PM
This is just want we need for pulse sync with the versions on super 8 Rleased by Derann and the German lab. The vesions on super 8 are the same cut as the original LD's and VHS tapes so for the pulse sync fans this is great news.
Kev.
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From: dundonald,belfast,co.antrim,northern ireland.
Registered: Jan 2006
posted June 30, 2006 06:12 PM
i dont think it matters robert.its star wars.i agree with you john that lucas has at last bowed to public presure. or maybe he needs the dosh?.andy.
posted June 30, 2006 06:46 PM
It matters to a lot of people, Andrew. Home Theatre forum has a 47 page thread devoted to just this issue. The die -hard fans who were pushing for the original trilogy are also the ones who are most vocal about quality of the discs. The casual fans will see no need to upgrade to a new edition just because it has the 'old' versions of the films as bonuses.
With the massive improvements in video transfer technology in the 14 years since the laser masters were created the originals will look dull indeed to anyone with a decent video system.
posted June 30, 2006 10:48 PM
I never recognized the parallel, but some ethnic and political groups mentioned Jar Jar Binks persona to the Black Hollywood character actor Stepin Fetchit.
posted July 01, 2006 01:14 AM
Somehow I doubt the quality of new DVD's created from the laser disc masters will actually offer better quality than the laser discs. If I see one of these DVD's (if they are really going to be released) and it looks superior to the equivalent laser disc I'm going to run a lens cleaner through the laser player immediately.
P.S. I thought Jar Jar Binks was hilarious.
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From: dundonald,belfast,co.antrim,northern ireland.
Registered: Jan 2006
posted July 01, 2006 02:01 AM
i with you on that one john i think lucas did listen to the public outrage to the beloved star wars. the messeage is simple-no tinkering or glossing over of those sci-fi classics. i wonder why the negs.are no longer availble. its a shame.andy.
posted July 01, 2006 04:47 AM
I must say that I'm really surprised that the original negs no longer exist. Maybe they were damaged etc in all the subsequent messing over the years.
I have to say that the versions I have on LD are excellent and at least they dont have any lossy compresion. Maybe this is the reason he's using LD. I'm also surprised that he cant get his hand s on any High Band masters because I would think that would have been the route the LD's and various video formats would have come from.
Strange story indeed.
Kev.
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From: Enfield, U.K.
Registered: Aug 2003
posted July 01, 2006 05:43 AM
I think it's a case of wait and see on this, as I can't see Lucas actually releasing a sub-standard picture quality DVD, he'll get away with the DD2.0 soundtrack, that how it was originally recorded anyway, but I think we may get a pleasant surprise (hopefully, anyway!).
posted July 03, 2006 03:26 AM
Lucas appears to be leading people up the garden path here... the original negatives were restored in 1997. Where the orginal had deteriorated to an extent where it was unusable for all practical purposes Lucas presented one of his two personal Technicolor prints of the film. From this new sections of the damaged (i.e. faded) negative were struck. Once the whole of the original negative was restored and preserved on new safety stock then work on re-hashing the film commenced. But the important thing here is the original negative was salvaged before it had deteriorated to the extent of being unusable.
But even if he does resort to producing the DVD from the laser disc master there is no reason for it not to be in widescreen as they appeared letterbox on laser. Also, 16x9 was first developed on laser disc even though it never made an appearance on sell-through discs. I just wish I knew what the 16x9 button on my Pioneer LD 1750 actually did.
Finally, if the original Dolby Stereo tracks are encoded into Dolby Digital they are unlikely to be as good as the genuine Dolby Stereo tracks on the laser disc.
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