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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on October 17, 2009, 11:08 PM:

Hi all,

Being in Canada for temporary is my big opportunity to get anything old (except 8mm) more easily. And since I was so obsessed with 1950-1960s, I have been trying to start collecting it now.

Of course my rule of thumb in hunting vintage stuff is always to keep the budget as minimum as I can. I apply this rule to make more challenging in hunting something (plus if I have to spend much money on them, it is better to visit an antique store and be ready with a credit card, but what is the story then).

So below are the items just entring my collection.

Brand: Viking 19" B/W TV
Made in Canada
Year: 1950s
Condition: Unknown
Finishing: Red Mahogany
Inc Instruction Manual & Service Operation
Cosmetic condition: Clean, minimal scratch, screen and mask glass shiny, body shiny, no chips
Price bought: CAD $15 (2009)

Brand: Electrohome 19" B/W TV
Made in Canada
Year: 1950s
Condition: Picture gone, sound OK
Finishing: Yellow/blonde Mahogany
Inc Instruction Manual & Service Operation
Cosmetic condition: Clean, minimal scratch, screen and mask glass shiny, body shiny, no chips
Price bought: CAD $15 (2009)

Alliance Antenna Rotor
Made in USA
Condition: Working
Finishing: Dark brown
Cosmetic condition: Medium scratch, glass dull, body shiny, no chips
Price bought: Free (with the above purchase)

That is a bit of my story while I am in Canada.

[Wink]

cheers

Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on October 18, 2009, 01:43 AM:

Winbert
Cool stuff, but I have to ask, how big is your place in Canada? Cuz its gonna fill up quick collecting old TV's [Razz]

Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on October 18, 2009, 07:43 AM:

Winbert,

Nice sets, but to add to what Dino said: you do have to get those back to Indonesia when you go home.
Carry-on luggage they're not.... [Big Grin]

Of course, if you get a big enough collection, it might be cheaper just to stay in Canada for the rest of your life... [Wink]

Claus.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on October 18, 2009, 07:23 PM:

Dino and Claus,

My house in Canada is not big enough, but luckily we have a finished basement where I share toys with my kids (their toys and mine...LoL).

For the TVs, my wife loves them too so she allowed me to put them as part of interior decoration (I succeeded to influence her in this matter but still fail for introducing 8mm to her ... [Big Grin]

)

I knew they are heavy and take so much place. But to be honest being lived in Indonesia (and Fiji before) I hard to get those retro stuff.

There are at least 2 conditions that make me hard to get them, i.e:

1. 40 to 50 years ago, Indonesia was still poor (now there is some progress but it is still a developing country) so TV and those entertainment equipments were only owned by certain people.

2. Climate issue: if from point 1 above there were equipments left, the next challenge is termites, rust and fungus. Indonesia is tropical country with hot and humid for the whole year. If the items was made from wood, it would have been destroy by termites. If the items was made from metal/tin, they have been covered by rust. And if they made from plastic or clothes, it would have been fungus around.

So when I arrived in Canada, I just like a kid in front of candy stores [Wink]

I believe my colleagues back home will be surprised with those stuff.

BTW, Claus the next acquisition will be a Juke Box.... [Razz]

it is even bigger.

I will post it later.

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 18, 2009, 08:47 PM:

I think this calls for a hidden DVD player and a whole bunch of DVDs of vintage TV shows!

When I was a little kid my parents finished the basement and bought a nice console TV (black and white). Every Saturday night we'd all go down there and eat dinner watching the Wonderful World of Disney together.

These days it's not unusual for families to have TVs in every room, and everybody to sit in their little isolated space and watch their own show.

-No wonder we have no idea what's going on in our kids' lives!

Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on October 19, 2009, 01:29 AM:

Winbert you should go after that Scopitone machine although it probably won't fit into your price restrictions, but man it would be the coolest jukebox....In case you can't tell I am living vicariously through you at the moment since we cannot fit these types of cool things in our condo.. [Frown]

Scopitone for sale

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on October 19, 2009, 11:21 AM:

quote:
I think this calls for a hidden DVD player and a whole bunch of DVDs of vintage TV shows!

Steve,

Exactly your idea was already done by someone here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NYQnp-NtpA

See... when you are watching old movies with an old TV there is a different feeling (atmosphere) you get (Although I didn't live in that period)

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 19, 2009, 11:39 AM:

...and the joy of it is generally these old sets were built simply and ruggedly: generally what ails them when they don't work is just a dead tube somewhere.

If you can find a working tube tester and a source of replacement tubes you have a shot at fixing these TVs.

Once you are there, you'll need to set the scene. You'll need some TV trays and some Swanson TV dinners (hard to get as a vintage item...). If I remember right, Dads in the 50s and early 60s smoked pipes at home (tobacco...of course). I believe this was before they invented cancer and heart disease somewhere around 1969.

I suppose you could go all out and get a crewcut, but bear in mind that you are in Canada and Winter is on the way. Every bit of insulation is a bonus!

Posted by David Pannell (Member # 300) on October 20, 2009, 07:45 AM:

We still have TV trays and TV dinners (home made, of course) whilst watching our favourite 16 or 8mm films - on vintage Ampro projectors - naturally.

........All is not lost........

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on October 21, 2009, 12:02 AM:

Just another today's acquisition :

Torcan Fan
Made in Canada
Year: 1960s
Condition: Working
Finishing: Light Blue
Cosmetic condition: Light scratch, body shiny, no chips
Price bought: CAD $3

(ps: the fan is truly working and even it is very fast. But what make me afraid with this fan is the blades are made from metal. I don't know what will happen if my kids accidentally put their fingers inside the bars. I don't understand how could people create this kind of dangerous machine long time ago)

Viking floor model radio
Made in Canada
Year: 1940-1950s
Condition: Not Working
Finishing: Black Mahogany
Cosmetic condition: Heavy scratch, body not shiny, some body chips
Price bought: CAD $20

(anyone knows when this kind of radion was actually made?)

cheers

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on October 21, 2009, 08:37 AM:

In order to get safety agency certification (UL, CSA.....etc.) a modern fan would have to have a safety guard on it with openings small enough to prevent a child's fingers from reaching the blades.

Unfortunately, they didn't have these certs at the time your fan was made because.... wellll....not enough people had lost digits yet to make people realize this was important.

Unfortunately "common sense" usually comes through disaster: it takes a Titanic to make people realize there need to be as many seats in the lifeboats as there are people on the ship.

To you and me it’s obvious, but then again we were born after the Titanic sank.

(Besides, really early fans had no guards at all!)

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 02, 2009, 02:18 PM:

Not my current acquisition but they are really toys not "toys" ... [Big Grin]

Brand: Marklin
Made in Germany
Year: 1930s
Condition: Unknown
Finishing: Tin/Metal
Incl. full oval track without AC motor
Cosmetic condition: Dirt, some scratches and rust, body complet, some paint chips
Price bought: CAD $

ps: Marklin is the best (hi-end) train manufacture similar to Fumeo or Beualiau in our movie scene

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 13, 2009, 03:43 PM:

Of course my recent acquisition is

Brand: Elmo GS800 Super 8mm projector (Stereo sound, Magnetic)
Made in Japan
Year: 1980s
Condition: Working
Finishing: Black
Inc. Dust Cover, 800" empty Reel, Instruction Manual & Service Operation
Cosmetic condition: Clean and shiny
Price bought: CAD $125 (2009)

The full interesting story of this acquisition is told here:

My lucky find of an Elmo GS !!

regards,

Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 13, 2009, 09:59 PM:

Winbert, Winbert....

No stopping you now [Big Grin]

Nice vintage Marklin train; now you've made me want to get mine out again.
Interesting how both the little wine-barrel car and the simple green passenger carriages were already around in the 30es; I have the same ones from the 1970es and they haven't changed much.

That fan is beautiful; they sell so many cheap replicas of those now, so it's good to see the real thing.

Mark my words: at your current pace, you'll need a shipping container by the time you are ready to go home (not that there is anything wrong with that [Wink]

)

Claus.

Posted by Christopher P Quinn (Member # 1294) on November 14, 2009, 12:32 AM:

Those TV's look excellent, especially the first one. Those were the days when a telly was also a piece of furniture.

Chris.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 14, 2009, 08:37 PM:

quote:
Interesting how both the little wine-barrel car and the simple green passenger carriages were already around in the 30es; I have the same ones from the 1970es and they haven't changed much.

Claus, I am not so sure that my train is from 1930s. I am just guessing by seeing the train is made by tin-plate and the Marklin logo, as you can see below:

Moreover, the trains are so rough and hand-worked items compared to other new/later Marklin products. That what makes me think that they come from pre-WWII

From the page below (in German) it is also mentioned that the above logo was used between 1930 - 1954.

http://www.sammeln-sammler.de/blechspielzeug/maerklin-cie-gebr/

So I am not really sure when those trains were made.

Did your train also tin-plate made and has the same logo?

(ps: indeed there is a repro of the logo for some Marklin in 1980s)

quote:
Mark my words: at your current pace, you'll need a shipping container by the time you are ready to go home

Yes surely, more over with this below item paid yesterday, then a container is a must [Big Grin]

and

Brand: Morse Electrophone Disco Console (Turntable w/ disc changer, Cassette, 8-track, Radio, Amplifier and Speaker + Disco Mirror Ball & lighting)
Made in Canada
Year: 1980s
Condition: Working (only Turntable currently stuck)
Finishing: wooden color and Black
Inc. Dust Cover and all working bulbs
Cosmetic condition: A bit scratch and wooden chips/torn
Price bought: CAD $50 (2009)

I should post a picture of this machine during daytime.

However seeing this machine with bulbs are blinking or flip-flop just bringing our mood to Saturday Night Fever era.

[Wink]

cheers,

Posted by Wayne Tuell (Member # 1689) on November 14, 2009, 10:57 PM:

WOW, that console looks much cooler than my '76 Rockola with simulated neon lights [Razz]

I have a few old items you might like to see Winbert. I just can't figure out how to put pictures here. Every time I try to download them, it says that my password is incorrect. [Confused]

You would probably get a kick out of my phone in a box, the teletyper (or whatever it is called) and the model radio transmitter set. I had some old T.V.'s, radios, & soda machines that family members have talked me out of over the years. [Frown]

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 17, 2009, 08:56 PM:

quote:
WOW, that console looks much cooler than my '76 Rockola with simulated neon lights [Razz]

Hey... "A Rockola" yey....

Wayne, I just got a Seeburg. Not really a vintage Jukebox (which will cost thousands dollar), just a retro Jukebox from 1960s.

For others, if you see the price of this Jukebox, you are possibly thinking that I have increased my budget in buying "toys". However, I just want to let you know that Jukebox' price is usually around $2500 - $6000. So what I've spent for this is actually considered very low for a working Jukebox.

So here we go:

Brand: Seeburg 100 Selection Celestia
Made in USA
Year: 1978
Condition: Working
Finishing: Blue and retro design finished, with neon bulbs inside
Inc 50 vinyl 45
Cosmetic condition: Clean, minimal scratch
Price bought: CAD $2700 (2009)

And now the two retro items are siting side by side in my basement:

and Claus, a container even a necessary now when I am returning home.

cheers [Wink]

[ September 28, 2016, 09:10 AM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

Posted by Wayne Tuell (Member # 1689) on November 17, 2009, 10:52 PM:

That is really a cheap price for a working unit. There are a few good sites that offer label strips making programs for free that actually look good in the Jukes.

Posted by Dino Everette (Member # 1378) on November 18, 2009, 03:13 AM:

Winbert.... [Eek!]

You are the COOLEST dad ever! Oh wait but do the kids get to touch the "stuff" [Smile]

Posted by Antonis Galanakis (Member # 1455) on November 18, 2009, 07:10 AM:

Here is my Jukebox. AMI I - 200 (JAI-200).Year 1958. I bought it in Greece, in 1991 for 900 Euros. Imagine playing "Black Magic Woman", dancing with your girlfriend only with the lights of The AMI.
Antonis

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 1337) on November 18, 2009, 07:26 AM:

Nice AMI, I especially love jukes with visible mechs. I can't figure out why all the jukebox companies went in the other direction after the 60s.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 19, 2009, 01:53 PM:

quote:
There are a few good sites that offer label strips making programs for free that actually look good in the Jukes.

The Celestia Jukebox has placed the strips in unique position. If you see the Jukebox horizontally, where our eyes at the same high with the Jukebox (like the photos above), then you will see the whole retro design with neon lights.

But if you come closer to the Jukebox and your eyes much higher than the Jukebox, you will see the stripes are there.

ps: an interesting part of this retro image is that the idea was inspired by Leonardo Da Vinci's human sketch as shown below:

More design of Seeburg retro jukebox can be seen here:

http://home.pacbell.net/fmillera/digital_jukeboxes.htm#100-78D

(after seeing those retro jukeboxes, your mind must be brought back to the 1970s Disco era, read: John Trovolta things [Wink]

)

quote:
You are the COOLEST dad ever! Oh wait but do the kids get to touch the "stuff"

Dino, I never made my things as sacred items that kids cannot touch. I try to introduce them with my toys and how I preserve them. On the other way around, I told them to keep their toys as I do.

You cans see on the photo above that there is an HO rail track lying on the floor. That the place where my two kids play around with my train collection.

It is hard for the first time to introduce those precious toys (on my view) since kids don't understand it. For the first time it costs one turntable needle broken off, two vinyls got scratched, one toaster-style old radio got cracked, etc, etc. But after all, they got bored too with my toys and just leave them as they are.

At this stage, they will never play harsh again with them and only will touch when I invite them to enjoy them. This is a situation that I say as the equilibrium between their curiosity and excitement.

I really love to hear when they ask me "Daddy can I watch again that Little Rascals on your projector". I will never refuse that order [Big Grin]

cheers,

Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on November 20, 2009, 02:49 PM:

Winbert,
The cars I have (green passenger) don't, as I recall, have that stamp on them. I think the appearance of yours also indicate an earlier period; they seem bit rougher looking in terms of metal stamping and such.

One thing: what about electricity when you get home? I don't remember what the current is in Indonesia, but I would imagine you'd need some transformers?

Keep collecting; you've got some lovely things there [Smile]

Claus.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 22, 2009, 08:38 PM:

quote:
One thing: what about electricity when you get home? I don't remember what the current is in Indonesia, but I would imagine you'd need some transformers?

Hi Claus, a good point, you spot on the important issue. Yes Canada is 110v and Indonesia is 220v. The freq is also different (not really an issue for non-sensitive machine). I will have to buy transformer when I bring them back home.

But certainly not really an issue for this stuff, is it?

Brand: Truphonic No. 10 made by Columbia Phonograph
Made in Canada
Year: 1930s
Condition: Working (but arm has a crack)
Finishing: brown
Cosmetic condition: Clean, minimal scratch
Price bought: CAD $30 (2009)

cheers,

Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on November 23, 2009, 12:40 AM:

Ah Winbert!
Nice to see you have a liking for Marklin trains, I myself are a fan of them as well.
I have just brought a new Marklin HO scale shunting loco.
[Big Grin]

Patrick

Posted by Damien Taylor (Member # 1337) on November 23, 2009, 12:47 AM:

Don't forget to change the needle every one or two plays Winbert.

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on November 25, 2009, 10:44 AM:

quote:
I have just brought a new Marklin HO scale shunting loco

Patrick, my curiosity.... after Marklin got bankrupt this year, is your new Marklin still made in Germany or "made in China"? (as Bachmann and many other trains now)

quote:
Don't forget to change the needle every one or two plays

Damien, I just also learned that needle is so quick to wear in this 78RPM.

Nevertheless, my gramapahone is only for aesthetic purposes.

cheers,

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on January 13, 2011, 12:10 PM:

Here is my recent acquisition:

Brand: Lowe Opta Stereo
Made in Germany
Year: 1950s
Condition: Working
Finishing: Brown
Cosmetic condition: Clean, minimal scratch, body shiny
Price bought: CAD $0 (2010) ...free from a freecyclist.

cheers,

Posted by Dave Schmidt (Member # 2246) on January 17, 2011, 09:29 PM:

Wonderful!! How many folks ask you what BC stands for?? If you ever want to double your money on the fan you posted,,,just say the word!!

Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on January 18, 2011, 09:39 AM:

Hi,

quote:
after Marklin got bankrupt this year, is your new Marklin still made in Germany or "made in China"?

Only a small percentage of Märklin-products was ever made in China - and they've stopped dealing with that Chinese factory due to various reasons. As Märklin has closed its factories in Sonneberg and Nürnberg (both Germany), all current (2010/2011) Märklin-products should be either made in Göppingen (Germany) or Györ (Hungary), with the large majority of products being made in Györ.

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on January 18, 2011, 11:22 AM:

Winbert

I love the pics. Keep up the hunting. I'm having fum just reading and looking at your posts! As we say in USA....you are the BOMB!!!!!!!

Pat DAlessio

Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on January 18, 2011, 11:44 AM:

Winbert,
Does that old radio dial have Athlone on there? How about Hilversum??
[Smile]

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 16, 2011, 08:43 PM:

quote:
Does that old radio dial have Athlone on there? How about Hilversum??

Hi Mike, sorry I just can answer this now.

No, the above radio doesn't have those stations.

But I just acquired this:

Brand: Korting "Konzert 430W" radio
Made in West Germany
Year: 1954/1955
Condition: Untested (plug missing)
Finishing: brown Mahogany
Cosmetic condition: Clean, minimal scratch, body shiny, minimum chips
Price bought: CAD $0 (2011) @ freecycler

And Mike, this radio has Hilversum I and Hilversum II.

The funny thing when I brought this radio in, my kids say "is that a piano" after seeing those "piano keys" [Big Grin]

Cheers,

Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on May 16, 2011, 10:11 PM:

Hey Winbert

Great price!

PatD

Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on May 18, 2011, 12:11 PM:

Yeah,...surely Pat.

I am just waiting now someone is going to freecycle a GS1200.. [Wink]

There is nothing impossible in this world

ps: I am also doing with power wheel (a motorized ride-on for kids). Just a week a go someone throw away a machine that was worth $1000 (brand new) or $500 (second hand). He put photos on craiglist stating "A free Super Power Perego. Please come to the curb and take it". Man....!

Our power wheel forum members could only have their mouth watering because of this ad. Unfortunately it was 2000 miles of my town [Big Grin]

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 18, 2011, 01:05 PM:

Thats the strange fascination with the passage of time ...

These old items were once the "present", now thier almost antique.

Hey, I have on of those old fans, runs just fine, though we don't tend to use it anymore as little Devin wants to stick his finger in the wind ..

... and I don't want to go searching for a lost finger!

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 18, 2011, 03:17 PM:

The sad thing is when you look at a lot of this old stuff it is built for durability like only the most expensive (professional) equipment is today.

About a year ago we got a brand new blue ray player, also about a year ago I picked up an Elmo ST-1200 HD that was assembled when I was a teenager (that's getting to be a long time ago, folks!)

Which do you think will be the last machine standing?

(I wouldn't bet on the Blu-Ray player)

The point is If Winbert is still antiquing in the 2040's, he will be pretty hard-pressed to find a lot from "The Teens". It's usually built to be bought, used a little while, fail, and then be disposed of (not fixed)for replacement by something just as disposable.

I work in electronics, and I know what the serious stuff is supposed to look like. When I pop open modern consumer electronics (You know: just before I throw it out), it looks exactly like my kid's toys!

PS Winbert: the neighbors across the street gave their kid this neat little red battery powered Jeep. My son watched it longingly for about a year. One fine day he came home pushing it up the driveway. He said "It's dead, they said I can have it. Daddy, can you fix it for me?". So I poked around and found out all that was wrong was the battery wouldn't take a charge. It seems if you store a lead-acid battery dead, it will stay that way. One new battery and we are motoring.

A couple of weeks ago the same kid buzzes down the street in a little electric go-cart. My son looked at it, turned to me and said "Where will we get a battery for that?"

Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on May 19, 2011, 10:35 AM:

Thats very true (about how things were built to last) ...

I have a "Realistic" brand Dolby Surround unit that I must have bought around 1987 or so, (It was the late 80's), it looks like crap, dented up and all ...

no bells or whistles ...

but it still works magnificently and is perfect for rechanelling my super 8 mono films into a "false stereo' mix which I enjoy immensely!

Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on May 19, 2011, 11:15 AM:

I think the durability is a marketing choice too. People know how to design things to last and they could if they wanted too.

Cars for example are designed to last much longer today than years ago, but that is a market that thrives on customer loyalty and a car that shoves a piston through the hood after two years aint good for repeat business.

Consumer electronics is standing in a store looking at a bunch of nearly equivalent brands saying "Look! this one does just as much as that one, but it's cheaper!"

-Beware the difference between "price" and "value"!

Posted by Bryan Chernick (Member # 1998) on May 23, 2011, 06:06 PM:

Winbert, that's a great collection. I especially like the Lowe Opta Stereo. My wife and I collect Mid Century Modern stuff. We redecorated our Mid Century house with furniture and art that we found at estate sales, Craigs List, Ebay, etc.

I have two RCA Victor console stereos that we listen to records on all the time. We enjoy going to garage sales and estate sales to find $1 records. I couldn't tell you how many records we have. We often grab old records because we like the look of the cover and often discover some great music that is new to us.

All our furniture is mid century, made of real wood, not Beaver barf (particle board). A lot of the furniture and art also came from our parents and grandparents. It's nice having things like that in the house that we remember from our childhood.

I can't do the old TV's though, I like my HD too much. Here is a picture of my living room with the RCA Victor stereo console and our mid century modern furniture.

[ May 23, 2011, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: Bryan Chernick ]

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