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Claus Harding
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posted August 02, 2010 06:18 AM

Hi All,

I finally got my reels shot and transferred [Wink]

This was a test of Kodak Vision Negative film along with the repackaged Ekta 100D that is now also out as official "Kodak" stock.

If someone had told me in the early 80es that there would be such a thing as a 250 ASA Super-8 film, I most likely would have laughed at them, but there it is.
The interior scenes at Wildwood were shot with the Vision, running at 160ASA, on the Nizo Professional (some familiar faces here... [Big Grin]

) The exteriors were a mix of Vision and Ekta 100D.

http://vimeo.com/13814544

The Botanical Garden was shot with the Leicina Special using Kodak Ekta 100D outside, and Vision 250 inside (the Vision here running at 250ASA, as the Leicina can do that.)

http://vimeo.com/13814479

Film was processed and transferred by Pro8mm on a Cintel Y-Front scanner. In both cases, the cameras were running at 25 f.p.s. (given the tolerances of the cameras, I see no difference from 24 f.p.s)

I tried uploading both on YouTube and on Vimeo, and in either case, the quality just doesn't get any better. It loses a lot of sharpness and texture, but I hope this gives an idea of how these films look.
I see vignetting on the cameras, which suggests that the lenshood/UV filter combo needs to change, and the Nizo has a weave issue in the transport that needs fixing.

The Vision stock is impressive though; at Wildwood, in the hall, I opened the F-stop to 1.8 manually and left it there, letting the film do the work, and it had no problem dealing with the differences.

Anyway, enjoy, I had fun getting these back, as this is the first time I have seen a transfer of any Super-8mm I have shot. A good learning process.

Claus.

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted August 02, 2010 02:48 PM

HI Claus

Color is terrific!

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Hans van der Sloot
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posted August 02, 2010 02:52 PM

Wow, great colors.
These films look great. I bet they will blow you away projected on a screen.
Is it possible to get a positive print from those Vision films, or do they only scan them?
If not, you will never be able to project them.
The 2nd film went black after 1:07... (but those first minute was absolutely worth while).
Congratulations!

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Claus Harding
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posted August 02, 2010 04:52 PM

Hans,
To my knowledge, there isn't a company that has Super-8 print stock for making prints from negatives. In Super-8, that film is for use with video transfers only.

The second film only runs about 1min7secs; the time indicator underneath is completely wrong.

Thanks for the kind words,
Claus.

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Gerald Moore
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posted August 03, 2010 12:10 AM

Hi Hans,

Andec Filmtechnik in Berlin can print S8 negative for projection.
Here's the link in english:

Andec Filmtechnik

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Hans van der Sloot
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posted August 03, 2010 01:11 AM

Thanks Claus & Gerald,
I recently visited the Super8 Reversal Lab.
Frank has machines to make optical copies from 8mm to 8mm, but because he ran out of stock, he can no longer offer this service.
Probably Andec uses a different stock to print positives from negatives.
At least it's good news to read it is possible to get positive prints.
But I must admit that if I will shoot super-8 negative, I will also have it scanned without getting a positive.
I'm considering to use negative super-8 for a shortfilm or videoclip, which will be edited digitally.

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Bill Brandenstein
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posted August 05, 2010 09:33 PM

The Widescreen Centre in London will make a one-light print from a negative also. At least they were not so long ago, hopefully still able to.

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Claus Harding
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posted August 05, 2010 10:56 PM

You learn something new every day...I'll keep this in mind.

Claus.

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Joerg Polzfusz
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posted August 06, 2010 02:59 AM

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The Widescreen Centre in London will make a one-light print from a negative also

If I'm not mistaken, they're sending the films to Andec...

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Graham Ritchie
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posted August 06, 2010 04:12 AM

Claus
That looks excellent the colours look great, watching your movies makes me more keen than ever to get back into using film ASAP. Last week I bought some Duracell batteries for my old Canon 512XL-E camera and its back up and running fine even after many years of not being used. I have four rolls of Ektachrome 64T that I want to use on a project over the next month or so and will have to get back into thinking and timing more carefully each shot before I shoot mentality compared with how I have used video.

Graham. [Smile]

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Claus Harding
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posted August 06, 2010 11:49 AM

Thank you, Graham [Smile]

One of the lovely things about shooting film (again) is that what I saw "in my mind's eye" when looking through the viewfinder is what showed up on film; the imagery translates more faithfully to what the naked eye sees, compared to video.

There is a mystery to the film images that digital simply doesn't 'get.'

I need to call Kodak and get a case to put in the fridge... [Big Grin]

Now get out there and burn some Ekta 64.. [Wink]

Claus.

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David Kilderry
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posted August 11, 2010 09:32 PM

Beautiful images Claus.

I shoot film for just the same reason, there is a quality in my films that remind me of the "feel" of when I actually took them.

I should have shot some film at our recent film collectors swap meet!

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