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Nathan DeHahn
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- posted May 12, 2011 06:52 PM      Profile for Nathan DeHahn   Email Nathan DeHahn   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One big thing about 8mm film cameras , its always expensive. It doesnt make no sense. I meant like Canon 1014XL-S and some professial cameras. I mean like Canon 512XL, 514XL or XL-S, 814, Double 8 Bolex cameras not 100ft version, and Bell & Howell XL cameras. Its so frustrating to find a bargain on those cameras. [Frown]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted May 12, 2011 10:08 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Nathan, forget about 1014XLS, this is some kind of a Roll-royce. No one will let this go for less than $400.

BTW, what is your idea for a "bargain" price for the cameras?

You can still get 814 AE for $75 if you keep hunting on local classified.

cheers,

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Thomas Dafnides
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- posted May 12, 2011 11:24 PM      Profile for Thomas Dafnides     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have found that most 8mm cameras are capable of high quality images. I have a Revere 8mm camera that shoots incredible images (all manual settings)...that I saw an identical model on ebay for less than $30.
I would look for any camera that has manual exposure override so if necessary you can use a separate light meter.

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Knut Nordahl
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- posted May 13, 2011 01:14 AM      Profile for Knut Nordahl   Email Knut Nordahl   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Look for Sankyo EM 40 or 60. They have features you often only find on high end cameras, a crisp lens, and usually do not go for much.

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Nathan DeHahn
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- posted May 13, 2011 06:37 AM      Profile for Nathan DeHahn   Email Nathan DeHahn   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Winbert - Bargain prices I have looking for between 5-40 dollars which depends on how many features does the camera have. My favorite feature of super 8 camera is Existing Light System.

Thomas - One problem is the light meter is mess up. I mean when i aim at sunlight and the result says its aperture f/1.4. Someone played around with the 0 tuning, i have no idea how to fix the 0 tuning.

Knut - I would look for Sankyo EM cameras. It is a nice camera which it has very decent features. If i see one and i will buy it in bargain.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted May 13, 2011 09:14 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Nathan, since there is no longer sound films, just find a decent silent camera.

Canon 1014XLS price is higher also because many features that first time shooters will not need that.

The most important for the camera is the lens and pressure gate (I am not really sure what is the name, but that pressing film tight and flat when running through the lens)

I will take an Elmo Super 106 which has crisp lens and I just recently bought it for $5.

Stick to common (famous) brands for the sake of lens!

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Osi Osgood
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- posted May 13, 2011 10:26 AM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've noticed that as well. Prices for the top of the line siper 8 cameras are justified, but even lower brand models are rather up there.

Either that or it's a good brand name company, but a lesser quality model but yet, because of the name, an excessive price.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted May 13, 2011 11:43 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Osi, I am not sure how can you say that.

just for an example after doing random search:

Canon 301XL for $8.5

Canon 514 XL for $10.5 (guarantee working)

Canon 514XL for $19

Elmo Super 104 for $8.5

Elmo 240S-XL for $9.9

and this is a gambling but good a try:

Canon Auto Zom 814 for $18.38

Nathan, have you checked Ebay regularly?

cheers,

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Osi Osgood
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- posted May 13, 2011 12:00 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Winbert,

bear in mind, it's just an opinion. I personally have seen, over the last few years, even really crappy old cameras having a rather steep beginning price ...

but then, sometimes the opposite is true ... an incredibly great film camera that has an astoundingly low price, usually due to the owner/seller having no idea as to what they have.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted May 13, 2011 01:49 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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usually due to the owner/seller having no idea as to what they have.
No..that is not the case. If you read some of their description most owner knew what they were selling. Only due to the fact supply is higher than demand now.

So Nathan keep searching!

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Nathan DeHahn
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- posted May 13, 2011 03:34 PM      Profile for Nathan DeHahn   Email Nathan DeHahn   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have checked everyday, several times per day since December. Man, they did sold Canon 514XL for $19 and Canon 814 for $18! Wow, this is extreme rare chance to get those cameras for bargain. I never won bidding , expect only once on Canon 310XL last winter. [Embarrassed]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted May 13, 2011 03:57 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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Man, they did sold Canon 514XL for $19 and Canon 814 for $18!
Even one 514Xl was sold for $10 and in working condition....!

Keep searching mate!

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Bill Phelps
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- posted May 13, 2011 07:17 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Those are good deals but I include shipping into the price when I am looking so that Elmo 240...is not $10.00 its $35.00 with shipping and the Canon 514 for $20.00 is $30.00. I look at overall totals. Those are some good deals.

I think the postage on the Elmo is pretty steep...good thing it sold for $10.00!

Bill [Smile]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted May 14, 2011 08:41 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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Those are good deals but I include shipping into the price when I am looking
Yeah Bill, even when we buy a brand new camera from a mall we also pay for fuel and parking plus tax .... [Big Grin]

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Bill Phelps
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- posted May 14, 2011 12:59 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
You have to pay for parking when you go to the store? That sucks.

Bill [Smile]

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted May 14, 2011 02:21 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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You have to pay for parking when you go to the store? That sucks
Yes,...here in Toronto all spots are no free. Toronto is like New York.

(ps: A bit OOT, we even park more than 2 cars in front of our own garage is subject to get ticket !)

But anyway, even people in uptown still pay tax for a brand new camera, don't they? [Wink]

My point is a reasonable shipping on Ebay listing us equal to all related costs we pay when getting non-ebay stuff from actual stores. [Smile]

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Bill Phelps
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- posted May 14, 2011 02:48 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Right I understand....I guess my point was the Elmo wasn't $10 it's $35.

It may not be long here in the US until we are paying for parking...

Bill [Smile]

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Osi Osgood
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- posted May 16, 2011 10:25 AM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's rediculous!

By gosh, if I'm gracing a store with my business, they better damned well be paying for my parking, for petes sake!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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- posted May 16, 2011 07:29 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
[Confused] [Confused]

...what??? people in the US they don't pay for parking... [Confused]

In Toronto downtown it is $3.5/hour on street and prepare for $8/hour off street.

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Lee Mannering
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- posted May 17, 2011 07:26 AM      Profile for Lee Mannering     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Nathan

Excluding fleabay and a perchance it may work purchase from that location..

If you attend film events you may have noticed Super 8 cameras on sale have started to rise in price as well. Four of five years ago top end Canon or even Sankyo cameras were available at modest cost, but today a good fully working camera will indeed be on offer at a much higher price. I believe this is largely due to those working in or studying media using them for arty projects and also this being supported by a very good range of film emulsions. Certainly in my region I have seen far more super 8 filming taking place this last couple of years than previously which is great to see.

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Michael O'Regan
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- posted May 17, 2011 09:00 AM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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By gosh, if I'm gracing a store with my business, they better damned well be paying for my parking, for petes sake!
Wow! I'd like to live in your towns, Osi and Bill.
Free parking is pretty rare in this day and age.

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Bill Phelps
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- posted May 17, 2011 05:01 PM      Profile for Bill Phelps     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well...I suppose it depends what store you go to....downtown you pay the parking meter(I don't go downtown) concert or sporting event you pay (I don't go to these either) regular store...hardware, food etc. you don't have to pay to park.

Bill [Smile]

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