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Posted by peter booth (Member # 242) on August 19, 2011, 09:11 AM:
 
Just heard that Derann are having a closing down sale on the 11th September 2011 due to increasing costs,which they cannot absorb anymore.It's terrible news.
Regards,
Peter.
 

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Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on August 19, 2011, 09:44 AM:
 
That's the worst news I have ever heard! What a major loss for our hobby. Their service is second to none, Gary is excellant with his email responses, their prices are more than fair, the films they sell are accurately described. I could go on and on. This is a major blow to the film collecting hobby. I think I shall have to make an appointment with my therapist

This is not a good day

Pat D
 

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Posted by peter booth (Member # 242) on August 19, 2011, 09:52 AM:
 
Apparently the sale will not be the Open Day format with film shows etc,coffee will be available plus the remaining stock to clear.
Peter.
 

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Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on August 19, 2011, 09:53 AM:
 
HI Peter, where did this info come from? There's nothing on their website at present.
 

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Posted by peter booth (Member # 242) on August 19, 2011, 09:57 AM:
 
Hi Mal,
I heard from a fellow collector today,I then emailed Ged at Derann his reply contained the official statement that will go out on September 1st from Adrian.
Regards,
Peter.
 

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Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on August 19, 2011, 10:01 AM:
 
OK, thanks Peter.
It's a shame to see them go after all these years.
I wonder what are the implications for Blackpool and those who have pre-booked/paid for the event.
regards, Mal
 

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Posted by peter booth (Member # 242) on August 19, 2011, 10:10 AM:
 
According to the statement all bookings for Blackpool will be refunded.
Peter.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 19, 2011, 10:19 AM:
 
Truly sad, most sad. Does this mean that Derann Films is completely going out of business, (i.e. no longer selling used films as well) or is the producing new films on super 8 ending only.

How would we even really begin a tribute to Derann Films? There is so much to say!
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 19, 2011, 10:27 AM:
 
Spoke with Ged and the news is correct, in as much as they are not going into administration, but closing whilst they can "hold their heads up". Apparently it is all due to rising costs of running the business in general.

A letter/newsletter/email will be going out explaining all very soon.

Blackpool Convention is also cancelled and monies are being refunded.

There will be a closing down sale on the 11th September.

This is a sad day for film collecting in general.

My commiserations and good wishes go out to Adrian, Ged and Gary for their future.

I have known these "lads" since the late 1970's and really feel for them, and of course, not forgetting Ann Simmonds, and the other staff employed within the shop.

It is a sign of the times I fear, as many small business are feeling the pinch of rising costs.

I will take this opportunity to thank Derann collectively for all they have done for our hobby over the years. Without a doubt Derke would have been proud that they "shouldered" the hobby for as long as they have.

Cheers Lads - see you on the 11th September.
 

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Posted by peter booth (Member # 242) on August 19, 2011, 10:28 AM:
 
The whole business is closing down,film and electronics,the main reason cited is the slow down on the High Street,gas and electricity increases ,business rates and rents and probably internet competition,smaller businesses just can't compete,
A terrible loss to our hobby.
Peter.
 

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Posted by Gian Luca Mario Loncrini (Member # 1417) on August 19, 2011, 10:34 AM:
 
That's absolutely a very sad piece of news...
 

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Posted by William Fleming (Member # 2632) on August 19, 2011, 10:42 AM:
 
Hopefully lots of people will show up to support them on their last day.I for one will definatley be there.
 

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Posted by Claus Harding (Member # 702) on August 19, 2011, 10:53 AM:
 
Someone needs to bring a camcorder and microphone (and good shooting skills) to get scenes and comments for a final commemoration of the company.

If I lived in Europe, I'd do it myself.

Claus.
 

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Posted by Adrian Simmonds (Member # 581) on August 19, 2011, 11:03 AM:
 
Just to set the record straight, and so that the rumour mongers do not start spreading false gossip following is a copy of the letter that all our customers will receive within the next 2 weeks. We have not gone 'bump', 'bust' or into administration.
It was my decision to simply close the business and cease trading.

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"It is with deep regret that I have to announce, Derann will cease trading next month.

This has been brought on by a number of factors, but in essence is due to the astronomical rising costs that the local council, insurance and utility companies continue to impose on small businesses.
Only 2 months ago, we had a 40% and 45% rise in our gas and electricity bills – now we have been informed that our rates and business insurance will more than double upon renewal (due in part to the riots no doubt).

With the continuing decline, in general to the High Street trade, I have had to make the very difficult decision of whether to continue - of which I can see no upturn, not just in the coming months, but possibly in the next 2 or 3 years.

I would like first and foremost to thank the loyal friends (as I have long since ceased to view you as ‘customers’) who have been buying from Derann over the past 30 or so years.
I would also like to thank all the staff with whom I have grown up and worked with for over 25+ years. I sincerely wish them and you all the very best for the future.

This is also going to mean that the Northern Film Collectors Convention will not be organised by Derann this year – of course, another dealer may wish to be the organiser and I have no problem if this is the case.
All customers and dealers have had their Blackpool deposits refunded.

We are having a final clearance / closing down sale on Sunday 11th September – can I stress, this is not an Open Day, there will not be a film show or a Bring and Buy table, but there will be coffee available – This will be your last chance to pick up that exclusive 8mm / 16mm title or accessory, PLUS of course, any electrical piece of AV equipment or connecting lead – AT PRICES CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN TRADE.

I hope to see you on the 11th, and in closing wish you all the very best for the future.

Regards
Adrian"
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 19, 2011, 12:35 PM:
 
Truly sad to read this news...

My best wishes for the future to everyone at Derann.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 19, 2011, 12:59 PM:
 
Well, I'm sorry to hear they have to close after all these years and I can see that some of you will feel a little nostalgic for the good old days with them.

But, it's hardly the end of the hobby now, is it?

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Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on August 19, 2011, 01:02 PM:
 
Very sad to read. Thought they would last forever.
 

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Posted by Adam Deierling (Member # 2307) on August 19, 2011, 01:25 PM:
 
Very sad...They were always able to find and sell great films...I don't know what I will do now. Films are hard enough to find already!
 

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Posted by Tom A. Pennock (Member # 202) on August 19, 2011, 01:46 PM:
 
Very Very Sad News. For It To Be On 9/11 Too Makes It Even More Sad. I Was Such Good Friends With Derek. We Shared Many Hours Of E-Mails. I Just Don't Know How To Feel. A Sign Of The Very Tough Economic Times. I Am Greatly Saddened By This News. It's The Same Way I Felt When Blackhawk Films Closed Down. Derek Would Understand. He Is Looking Down From Heaven. God Bless Everyone At Derann. It Must Have Been A Very Difficult Decision To Make.

--Tom Pennock
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 19, 2011, 02:05 PM:
 
Very sad news indeed and can only add that I wish all the staff at Derann all the best for the future.

Graham.
 

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Posted by Ilias Sifakis (Member # 2417) on August 19, 2011, 02:41 PM:
 
Very very sad news,
I am quite new to the hobby, but I was fortunate enough to deal with Gary a few times, and he offered more than excellent service.
I was always eager to receive Derann's lists and send in my order...
I wish the best of luck to all the people involved with the business...

And i'm more than sorry that I am not able to be there on the close down sale when I'm sure a lot of bargains will appear!!

good luck to all...
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 19, 2011, 03:18 PM:
 
I can only agree with all the expressions of sadness here. Even though Derann hadn't been able to release anything new for a while, it was always reassuring that they were still around. Of course their Blackpool Convention remained a highlight of the year for many of us, and the Open Days provided something to look forward to at otherwise uneventful times in the year. I'm sure that Blackpool regulars will agree that it was a great boost every year to be able to spend two days or more at a hotel, participating in a friendly occasion where film collecting actually seemed to be a normal and well-supported hobby!

It certainly feels like the end of an era because Derann existed in the days of Std 8 being the most popular guage, then also released product in the mass market days, led the super 8 revival of the 1980s and then carried on releasing for most of the last decade. No other company spans all those eras. Derek's vision in realising that it made good business sense for them to invest in Super 8 and become the 'world leader' around 1984 was remarkable. If you look at a Derann newsletter frem (e.g.) the late 1980s, it's extraordinary to see page after page of exciting new releases. There was then an amazing spirit at Open Days and other events, where you felt that against all the odds, the hobby moved forward and gained a new lease of life. Many titles were released that made you think that anything could happen. I think it's the memory of the upbeat mood of that period that I'll be grateful for as much as all the great titles in my collection that I wouldn't otherwise have. When we evaluate their contribution to Super 8 collecting, it's obviously massive and diverse but perhaps what will stand out the most was the number of full length features of real stature they released - that surely no other company can match.

But of course such memories will be of little consolation to the staff who will soon be out of work - obviously this is much worse news for them and their families than it is for us. It's also a sad day for all who appreciate a distinctive, independent family business that adds something extra to the high street. This shows how difficult it must be for many companies to keep trading nowadays.
 

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Posted by Joe McAllister (Member # 825) on August 19, 2011, 03:26 PM:
 
I didn't do as much business with them as I would have liked as all too often the titles on their list which tempted me had been snapped up by the previous caller/mailer. I took this as a sign that they were doing well but obviously not well enough.
Apart from the loss of the Blackpool Convention their absence may undermine the BFCC and other events that they supported by taking stalls.
I'm not surprised that they are having trouble keeping the shop going as competing in the Home Electronics market is tough with the high street chains and internet sites. Its a shame that the niche cine department cant continue as an internet business as that seems to be the way most of us deal with them anyway.
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on August 19, 2011, 03:28 PM:
 
Just the other night I enjoyed some cartoons with friends. The best of them were either made by Derann or were directly bought from them, or both. Just so happens.

What terrible news to see a company that we appreciate so deeply cease operations, great because of both the standard of quality they've set for collectors worldwide, and for the high level of customer service with which they've done it. Bravo, gents! To say you will be missed seems to be too trite a way to express it.
 

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Posted by Thomas Smith (Member # 1889) on August 19, 2011, 04:07 PM:
 
hello i think derann were the best most of my films are derann
releases in great artwork boxes,i feel sad that they have gone
i wish them all the best of luck for the future
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on August 19, 2011, 04:57 PM:
 
Derann changed film collecting for me.

Years ago I only collected silents. One day I found out on a filmmaking forum that there was this company in England making brand new prints: i was absolutely amazed at it, but it was a dissapointment because they made no silents.

I stewed over it a few weeks and announced to my wife I was buying a sound projector.

She said:

"You're buying a ....?

-but you already have a movie projector!" (Imagine just one!)

-but I did it anyway and it opened up this entire world of new films: cartoons,'scope, features, Laurel and Hardy, stereo, home theater. It was wonderful!

I have very little doubt that without taking that extra step, I would have become bored years ago and maybe today I'd be doing something else. Because of Derann I've had a great decade enjoying a satisfying hobby.

As a business, they've always been more than fair dealing with me. I've got a lot to thank them for.

My biggest regret at this point is a didn’t find out about them in 1981 instead of 2001.
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on August 19, 2011, 05:02 PM:
 
Adrian and staff,

So sad news but I understand given the current climate we are in.

I will so miss phoning Ged with an order, Im glad I have so many Derann films in my collection that I will treasure forever. They are the best for quality.

Im also glad I went to the NFCC just once (in 2006) and I wanted to go next year but I still have so many memories of that magical weekend in 2006.

All the best for the future to everyone at Derann.



from Graham Sinden
 

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Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on August 19, 2011, 08:44 PM:
 
At the end of the day, a big tip o' the hat to Derann and its dedicated staff. For a company to be operating in the film collecting business (in the age of digital) right up until 2011 is amazing indeed. Given that a business is in business to be profitable, we film collectors need to fully appreciate their endeavors. But, more importantly, we have to keep the Derann staff in our thoughts as they move on to a new chapter in their life. They have contributed enormously to my enjoyment of the hobby and, for that, I am forever grateful.

While there are indeed used films in circulation, this is a heavy dose of reality in terms of the state of the new supply of films into the hobby. It makes it even more imperative to support (with our money) new films that do happen to hit the market -- or we're hastening the inevitable death of our hobby.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 20, 2011, 02:52 AM:
 

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What would Derek have done?

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Knowing Derek, I think he would have done what his son has done, under the circumstances. We have to remember that although Derann has been one of the main-stays of the film collecting hobby, it is at the end of the day, a business, and "reel film" is only a small part of that business.

Whatever "love" you have for the "product", if it is not gleaning a good enough return to pay the bills, then what else can you do?

This situation is indicative of so many "small busineses" (and some "not so small") in this time of ecconomic unstability.
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on August 20, 2011, 07:10 AM:
 
Yes, Keith, I think we all suspected the "writing was on the wall" for super 8, but it is so sad to learn that the whole shop is going, hi-fi, TV, video projectors and all...I guess Derann has about 4-5 full time staff and it is particularly upsetting to think that they might be out of a job. Hope they will all be ok.

Is the other part of Derann that did corporate video, etc. still going strong?
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on August 20, 2011, 07:27 AM:
 
It is so sad finding Deraan is closing down now.

But similar to the Vinyl collecting scene where the young collectors join the club not because are looking for new vinyls but in fact they like to get those old (second hand) stuff.

So be optimistic that 8mm collecting scene is not fading away.

cheers,
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 20, 2011, 08:52 AM:
 
I'm not sure if I'd entirely agree with the comparison with vinyl, as quite a lot of new vinyl is currently being produced, some of it aimed at young consumers.

It would be interesting if any young (e.g. aged up to about 30) collectors here could tell us if they are entirely happy to look out for old releases - or do new ones make it a more attractive hobby. If when I'd started collecting around the start of 1980s, eveyone had been saying "you won't see anything new, but don't worry, there's plenty of old stuff around", I would have found that very offputting. Subsequently, films released in the 1980s and 90s became some of the gems in my collection.
 

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Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on August 20, 2011, 10:03 AM:
 
Agree with Adrian and respectfully disagree with Michael -- I don't look forward to used (and already fading) prints to be the sole source of film collecting. New product equates to a healthy hobby. While I myself will purchase a used film from time to time, fading prints have taken some of the joy out it. I just hate to think of the hobby becoming more about circulating old prints instead of the infusion of new prints. However, if you told me 20-30 years ago that new prints were available right up to 2011, I would have looked at you cross-eyed. We should be grateful that new prints were available this long in the age of digital.

Thanks again, Derann!
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 20, 2011, 10:28 AM:
 
From thier official news brief on this, it appears that it is not due to interest in the film hobby. They still have sold the used collections they brought in. It's just come down to the massive (and probably downright criminal) upping of thier overhead costs ...

I mean, thier taxes going up almost 50 percent? Thier insurance rates goin up a staggering amount? (Derann credits this, potentially, to the riots, as it says in thier news brief).

I get the feeling that, while the U.K. is raising these taxes to attempt to bolster thier survival as a nation and identity. Understandable ... however, get the feeling that there will be many an empty shop front all along those areas as the larger businesses (like our own US Wal-mart) can absorb those costs and pass them onto the consumer, the smaller business's (like Derann) have to close shop.

So, in the end, to save the U'K. they must gut the U.K. and this will be the story worldwide.

I still don't really have adequete words to state my sadness at Derann's passing!
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 20, 2011, 11:01 AM:
 
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Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on August 20, 2011, 11:57 AM:
 
Very sad news indeed

I shall miss attending Blackpool every year and meeting Gary,Ged etc at the BFCC.

Many thanks for 27 years of excellent service Derann will be sadly missed.
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 20, 2011, 12:05 PM:
 
Mark - for some of us it will be 45 years of excellent service.

I started going to hire movies, with my father, in 1966, and have been "involved" on and off ever since. In the 1970's, I lived about 3 miles from the store and every Saturday (there was no Sunday trading then) Derann was my "second home".

I now live 120 miles away and still visit whenever I can.

The town of Dudley will have little meaning for me once they close.
 

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Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on August 20, 2011, 01:39 PM:
 
45 years that's incredible!!

Is it true that there first official standard 8mm feature release was CIty of the Dead Starring Christopher Lee?
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on August 20, 2011, 01:42 PM:
 

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But, it's hardly the end of the hobby now, is it?

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Michael, I totally understand what you are saying that it wont stop me collecting or enjoying the hobby. I am quite happy if there are no new releases anymore and will still watch and collect older releases. We still have CHC releasing new prints, Paul Foster, Perry's, Buckingham film services, Independent 8 etc. Also we still have Ebay and I will probably use it more now Derann are closing.

But I dont think you fully understand the situation as without Derann is like a black hole that will never be filled in again. Without Derann there is no Film for the collector, NFCC, monthly film lists and no BFCC!!

Film collecting will still go on but wont be the same again particularly as the 'meeting places' are getting fewer. Thank goodness for the forums that we can still talk about it here. Lets not forget there are still smaller cine fairs like Group 9.5, Rickmansworth etc. but these are nothing like the NFCC or BFCC.

I dont think anybody should 'dumb down' how losing derann will be as they were massive on the film collecting scene and this news is a devastating blow to collectors everywhere.

Graham S
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 20, 2011, 01:46 PM:
 
Graham,

I think some people are overreacting to the closure of a film dealer.

However, it's obvious that Derann mean more to some collectors than others, so grieve on, baby!

-Mike
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on August 20, 2011, 01:56 PM:
 
I am grieving Micheal . I know it may sound silly but at the moment Im treating it like a family member has died.

I dont want to get into trouble here, But I mainly bought from Derann because their film lists were very accurate, It was easy payment as they knew my details and their new prints were second to none.

It looks like I will be placing a few last orders before they close

Graham S

PS: I have also bought many titles from CHC, Foster films and Ebay but Derann was always my first choice for the reasons above.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 20, 2011, 02:15 PM:
 

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... their new prints were second to none.

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I have a Derann DRACULA on S8 which I bought from a fellow collector.
It is a beauty - as good as anything I've seen on 16mm.
So, I'll agree with you on that score.

 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 20, 2011, 02:51 PM:
 

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I think some people are overreacting to the closure of a film dealer.

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Michael - I'd have to say that's a somewhat cynical view because surely members here are sincerely expressing how they feel about Derann closing down.

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Yes, I understand this and if you quoted the rest of that post, it's right there.
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 20, 2011, 03:05 PM:
 
Probably the best way to view this "event" is

"Not so much a loss, great that it is, but more of a 'legacy' to the 'bootlace' cinema world".

PS Michael - So glad you are happy with the "Dracula" print. As you say, it is very good quality.
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 20, 2011, 03:35 PM:
 
Adrian Simmonds

If you just happen to read this, is there any chance that "Derann" could put out a special final "FFTC" edition with plenty of colour photos etc, dedicated fully to all the staff both past and present even though it might blow any budget "just an idea" It would be a great way to remember "Derann" for both the staff and collector, just something to remember by.

Regards Graham.
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on August 20, 2011, 04:46 PM:
 
I was thinking of a similar idea Graham. It would certaintly be a lasting tribute to Derann. I havent received any emails about refunding FFTC so I wondered if Derann plan to continue it until the subs run out.

It would also be good if someone could video that final sale and stick it on youtube. I cant go as Im already booked for the Group 9.5 event in Harpenden.

Graham S
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 20, 2011, 06:52 PM:
 
I agree that a final FFTC would be a great idea, and would give both staff and customers a valuable opportunity to say something.

It's such a shame there couldn't be a final (Derann-organised) Blackpool. The irony is that if there had been, and it was stated that it would be the last ever, I expect it would have attracted the biggest attendance for years, and the event would have gone out in blaze of glory!
 

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Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on August 21, 2011, 03:20 AM:
 
Sad news indeed. Hats off to the staff who provided such an excellent job for so many years. It's because of Derann that I got back into film collecting in the early nineties.
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on August 21, 2011, 03:39 AM:
 
Just switched on to read the bad news and I add my thanks to Derann Films for so many years entertainment and quality service received from them all. It’s also a blow to hear the Northern Film Collectors event is to go as well and I understand traders were slow to book tables this year although I did book my tables a few months ago the lateness of booking from others would have hampered the good work Derann have done for our hobby. In closing sincere thanks to all at Derann and I will certainly miss those fun times visiting the shop on open days and past events they had put so much effort into. Hats off to you all!
 

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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on August 21, 2011, 03:44 AM:
 
Well Adrian, yes a last FFTC would be nice for us all, But i would have to say, has it really taken this for everyone to want to write someting in it, after all, they have been asking for contributions for years, i know yourself and others have done articles, (and very good ones they are), unfortunatly i dont think another one would be on the cards unless someone else took it over as Derann didnt actually print it.

Derann closing is most definatly a huge big blow to super 8 but dont forget as some have mentioned, new material hasnt been out for a while due to the labs closing,The film buisness was only a small part of Derann, many readers of FFTC may remember a few issues back i did a Q & A article asking dealers various questions, one of them was how they thought the internet played a part in the buisness, in my opinion which i didnt include i think that it has helped super 8 to keep going longer to a wider audince, however, Derann are an audio dealer and on that side the internet will have made a big blow because specialised audio and televisions are so much cheaper on-line than they are in shops and for the indipendents like Derann to continues the internet had made this very difficult, i've seen this here in Plymouth.Even the big players like Currys and Comet are struggling and im pretty sure its a matter of time before HMV closes simply because DVDs CDs and electronic games are in many case a fraction of the price that the shops can sell it for with there overheads and the killer buisness rates, the scabby governments and councils have a lot to answer for not to mention the banks where all the problems started globaly, unfortunatly ther all OK thanks to us the tax payer,

The Reel image in the US is still a majour player as is Perrys, indipendant 8, Paul Foster and of course CHC who have released their own bits n pieces and always have large lists of items for sale, now is the time to list all the super 8 and 16mm dealers here that are still in buisness.

The sad thing for me is i am not going to be able to get to the final day at Derann,
 

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Posted by Alan Rik (Member # 73) on August 21, 2011, 03:44 AM:
 
That really is sad, sad news. I came back to the hobby in 1997 because of Derann films as well. I had no idea that Full Length Features were still being produced. I still have many emails from Derek where we discussed projectors, prints, etc.
It truly is the end of a legacy. Derann was/is very important to me as a collector and I do thank the staff for all the great years of truly excellent service. They will be missed.
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on August 21, 2011, 10:32 AM:
 
Kinda Stinks:

I've always wanted to visit the UK, walk into Derann, buy a film in person, shake Gary Brocklehurst's hand and maybe have a look around.

-not happening now!

When I discovered this company I became a kid in a candy shop: it's hard not to feel bad hearing that the shop is closing.
 

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Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on August 21, 2011, 01:47 PM:
 
In retrospect it is amazing that they survived as long as they did, and for that you have to give full marks to the whole Derann team. It is, of course, a devastating blow to the film collecting community. Lets not mince words here - film collecting, as we know it, will never be quite the same again. Derann are the unquestioned leaders in super 8mm film, both from the point of view of their peerlless product, and their support for the hobby via Film For The Collector, the open days, and the Blackpool convention. Derann were the pre-eminent dealers at the BFCC, they always had the biggest crowd around them. Can the BFCC go on without their presence, and will their be a new collectors magazine from someone else?
I did not buy a whole lot of films from Derann, just a few shorts and an occasional feature. But I do have a nice little collection of Derann prints and the vast majority are of excellent print quality. When you got a good print from Derann, it was something to see. I liked to browse their monthly film list, and from time to time would pick up a Pathe Pic or cut-down. Now that pleasure is gone.
I wish the very best for Gary and Ged. Gary was my UK contact for 30 years, and I met him once in the store at Dudley, and on several other occasions at the BFCC's. He was always very helpful and a great amabassador for Derann.
I would think the local press in Dudley, the National Press in the UK, and the BBC, would all be very interested in doing an article or TV spot about the closure of this unique business.
 

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Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 21, 2011, 01:57 PM:
 
It is very sad news. Waiting for the month of November to come around, waiting for the coveted email and postal film lists, being first on the phone on a Monday morning, the excitment of seeing if the film you've been after was still available...I'll miss it all. Ged, Steve & Gary should each be awarded a medal for the service they've given us. I'll greatly miss chatting to them, as they have become good friends. I really am lost as to what to say...
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on August 21, 2011, 02:03 PM:
 
It would be nice if Adrian could post again and say if there will be a final edition of FFTC or whether they will update their website one last time with some photos taken over the years. Something for the collectors amongst us to remember. Im sure the whole Derann staff know how thankful we are of their continuing support for Super 8 and 16mm in the age of video and DVD.

Graham S
 

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Posted by Colin Auty (Member # 231) on August 21, 2011, 03:26 PM:
 
will be sadly missed but never forgotten, another nail in the coffin for the collecting scene.
My thanks and very best wishes go out to the Derann team.

Colin
 

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Posted by Thomas Murin, Jr. (Member # 1745) on August 21, 2011, 04:07 PM:
 
Sad news, indeed.

I will cherish more than ever my S8 print of Return Of The Jedi which I purchased brand new just 2 years ago. In fact, I got the LAST new print of Jedi Derann had to sell (confirmed by Gary).

I was having some trouble with my credit card back then and Gary very patiently held Jedi for me untill I got things straightened out. I am forever grateful to him for that.

Derann was a class act and will be sorely missed in the film collecting community.
 

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Posted by Bill Phelps (Member # 1431) on August 21, 2011, 04:59 PM:
 
I'm sorry to hear about Derann closing. I have about 20 titles from them....trailers, cartoons, shorts, a couple odd feature reels and some old digests from back in the 80's. They are among the best prints in my collection. Capricorn One is the BOMB! I love it!!!

Anyway...thanks for doing what you did for so long.

And remember...there's alot of Derann prints out there. They will be harder to come by but their out there.

Bill
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 21, 2011, 06:04 PM:
 
I remember way back in the early 90s a friend telling me about this company that in the age of video was still into Super8. I was initially reluctant to deal with someone that was over 12000 miles, however that was soon to change to such an extent that we built our home cinema because of Derann. Over those early years I used to phone Gary late at night "out here" after recieving the latest second hand list. Ever tried whispering down a phone line 12000 miles away, not to get caught buying films from my wife...sneeky eh!...anyway it all cost me a fortune in phone bills never mind the films. Dealing with Gary over these years has been a real joy and that contact will be sadly missed.

I will treasure and continue screeing those wonderfull Derann films hopefully for many years to come.










Graham.
 

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Posted by Yanis Tzortzis (Member # 434) on August 21, 2011, 07:12 PM:
 
....just gone to Greece for research-and struggling to come to terms with what I read here; my first contact with DERANN was in '94,and ever since I've been their customer, especially after I came to the UK and then Bham in '99. Their Open Days have been a must for me in all these years-not to mention Blackpool & BFCC...
....last time I felt like this was 9 yrs ago-back in 2002 when Derek passed away;certainly feels like,if not the end of an era,definitely approaching it-the implications for our organised film collecting will be huge-never gonna be the same again....
...My thoughts are with Adrian,Ged,Gary Steve & all the rest of DERANN staff who have been so helpful & friendly all this time. So sad I can't make it for the Open Day,as will be in Athens till late Sep;let's all try & save as many of our Conventions as possible. As for me, I'll definitely make a documentary on DERANN one day-hope sooner rather than later...
...All the best to the DERANN staff--and a BIG THANK YOU for what you did for our hobby......
 

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Posted by Joerg Polzfusz (Member # 602) on August 22, 2011, 03:03 AM:
 
Sad news in deed... what will happen to Derann's negatives? Will they get passed to CHC or some other company? Or will they be lost forever for the collecting community?
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 22, 2011, 05:59 AM:
 
Regarding Derann's negatives, if they are willing to sell them, the question is would anyone be willing to buy any, considering that there isn't a lot of money to be made from 8mm releases nowadays. Any other dealer would be wondering if their outlay would be justified by films sales, as re-releases would probably cost about 50% more than Derann's price, taking into account the cost of striping and recording (that Derann did in house), plus extra postage costs resulting from using the lab in Germany. And there's the added complication of the lab only being able to put the main stripe on polyestar prints, which rules out stereo. Derann's former lab kept their charges down to keep going as long as possible, and no doubt the price of stock has risen since then.
 

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Posted by Allan Broadfield (Member # 2298) on August 22, 2011, 07:27 AM:
 
The irony of the closedown of Derann, is that it's not so much to do with the decline of film, but more to do with the greed of local government, who's answer to all percieved problems is to raise taxes. Logically all that will remain in our high streets will be charity shops and supermarkets.
Good to see that Foster films are still selling at reasonable prices.
 

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Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on August 22, 2011, 10:02 AM:
 
Allan, you are quite right. Having gone through it myself I know just how crippling it can be.
But that raises another point.... please remember, while you are all crying into your beer about what the closure of Derann will mean to the hobby of film collecting and expounding on what you would like them to do before they close (very shortly now), they are a Business run by REAL people facing an uncertain future; their priority MUST be salvaging the absolute maximum from what assets they have in a very short time. As much as you appreciate the way they have supported their customers (and you have supported them) over the years, they will appreciate being given breathing space to find customers, whether individuals or other companies who can follow in their footsteps, for the remaining stock and assets they have, and to do the thousand and one other things entailed in closing a business.... including making sure that at the end of the day they are not incurring expenses in the form of taxes on premises that are not producing an income any more.
The best way to show your appreciation is to buy as much from them as you possibly can; if you don't do that now, you will be paying more later from someone else!

Martin
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 22, 2011, 10:23 AM:
 
Id hate to see the sound striping equipment get "lost" or end up in the hands of the german company This is no offense against that gferman company, but if they were to purchase that sound striping equipment, that would allow just that much more of a single stranglehold on any film releases. It's better to have the equipment in someone elses hands that can help the average collector.

Are there any U.K. members willing to go after that equipment and keep it up and running?
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 22, 2011, 10:33 AM:
 
Well said Martin!!

Your comments should be "taken on board" when requesting "special editions" of Film For The Collector.

Yes, it would be brilliant to get a "special edition", full of past memories, but under the circumstances that Derann are facing, and the fact that it normally takes about 3 months to compile an issue, I think producing a "special memories edition" is going to be pretty low on the agenda.

They will be concentrating on getting as much revenue for the assets they have, to worry about that.

It is 3 weeks to the "Closing Sale" and I would imagine that enthusiam and morale is low at the moment, but, as anyone knows who has faced that dreaded loss of employment, it will probably get lower.

After all the "great deeds" these lads have done (and there have been many over the years) they are (this might come as a shock to some) only human.

I think to keep requesting the "impossible", at this moment is not what is needed.

I believe there is one more issue of Film For The Collector to be sent out, and that may cover exactly what has been requested. But if not, then let's not hold it against Derann.

Osi - with regards to the "equipment", it is not exactly "portable". It is a substantial piece of kit and would require a lot of space and heavy lifting gear to move it. It is not something your "everyday collector" would have room for. Now another dealer - I don't know?????
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on August 22, 2011, 11:01 AM:
 
Fair points from Martin and Keith. I thought the main hope regarding a final FFTC would be if there was one already well on the way to completion, which perhaps could be the case? If final letters, etc, are welcome, I expect this will be announced.

Regarding the striping equipment, Ged told me last year that it was pretty much on its last legs and perhaps also 'seized up' due to not being used for some time. So any potential buyer would have to be willing to give it a major overhaul, IF there's any chance of getting it going again. But if it's the only striper for sale that's capable of putting main and balance stripes on polyestar stock, I suppose that could be an incentive for someone willing to take on the task, but it ideally needs to be used regularly.
 

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Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on August 22, 2011, 11:39 AM:
 
I had the pleasure of visiting Derann and meeting Gary, Ged, Steve and Duncan back in 2004. Here's a link to that post, with pictures.

Some additional pics:




The super sized sound striper!





Doug
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 22, 2011, 12:35 PM:
 
Great pictures there, Doug.

As to someone having a lot of time on thier hands regarding the striping equipment ... hey, we super 8 collectors and tech's are reel (haha) used to getting into the nitty gritty to make something work!

I had heard that the equipment was basically in a state of dis-repair, but I'm sure the savvy film tech can handle it!
 

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Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on August 22, 2011, 12:54 PM:
 
...and remember too, Phil Sheard at CHC still goes on, also several dealers throughout Britain and Abroad - With DERANN a memory, a large portion of the collector world has vanished - More about this later, Shorty
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on August 22, 2011, 01:42 PM:
 
I enjoyed reading that old post of yours there, Doug.

 

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Posted by Oemer Yalinkilic (Member # 86) on August 22, 2011, 02:39 PM:
 

Its
THE DAY THE SUPER 8 HOBBY DIED
 

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Posted by Paul Adsett (Member # 25) on August 22, 2011, 03:06 PM:
 
Quite a few names their Doug, who seem to have lost touch with this forum, in particular Mike Peckham. I guess they have relinquished the hobby.
I remember my first visit to Derann in 1986 and, like you, it felt like walking into Aladdin's cave. I suspect most collectors felt exactly the same.
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on August 22, 2011, 04:05 PM:
 
Spoke to Ged this afternoon while placing an order for various shorts left and other bits and bobs.

Regarding FFTC, he basically said there was zero chance of getting a final edition out as they are so busy closing the business down.

Its ironic that now they are closing, they are more busy at the moment. They had 40 orders to pack today and more coming in as collectors are grabbing every last item before its too late!

Graham S
 

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Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on August 22, 2011, 05:56 PM:
 
Gary had told me that the striping machine came on the end of a truck. So it must be very heavy. I had contemplated buying it but shipping would probably be more than the cost of the machine. He said they had not made a decision on the negatives and sound masters. Oh well, if only I could win the lottery. Of course, I need to buy a ticket.
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 22, 2011, 08:42 PM:
 
Doug
Thanks for the link and photos of the old striping machine. Years ago I bought one of Keith Wilton tapes called Hollywood UK! included is a behind the scenes of Derann, which Derek describes the workings of the machine, of which it is stated that he himself had striped One Million and a half feet of film during the course of a year also shows it up and running, also included is the recording of prints etc.

Here are a couple of shots taken from the video tape



The bottle of stripe that was used to top up the machine, rotating between two rollers, this was to keep the consistency of the oxide stripe just right.


The amount of work involved in getting those prints to the collector was huge printing..striping...recording..slitting...etc.

I hope Keith or someone records the final days of Derann. I have worked for companys in the past that have made everyone redundant and my biggest mistake was not to make the effort to tape or film those places. You dont think about it at the time but later on at a get together I was asked...did anyone take photos ...to late.

Graham.
 

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Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on August 23, 2011, 10:00 AM:
 
Derek was a good friend, oh so kind - Let's look on the better side also, wonderful memories and that our hobby/business or what have you, will continue to flourish as long as we all want it to - With the CINEVENT, CINEFEST and CINESEA here chaps, we have the makings of fine shows all these years - DERANN, like BLACKHAWK and others, will always hold a bright light in our minds and hearts - We keep this light going by our very merits - I earnestly hope we can all meet at one grand conclave and truly glorify our love for this genre, Shorty
 

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Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on August 24, 2011, 02:15 PM:
 
I'm very sorry for this sad news and I send all my best wishes to Gary who has managed for years all our requests and complaints (if any) with great patience and really professional skill!

Really a very sad news!

Flavio
 

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Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 24, 2011, 02:55 PM:
 
It all makes this video, made by Lee Mannering, great to look back on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GobTBWGyZP4
 

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Posted by Patrick Walsh (Member # 637) on August 25, 2011, 02:11 AM:
 
Very sad news, I hope all the guys at Derann manage to go on to other jobs and I wish them all the best and THANKYOU for your service over the years!
Patrick
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on August 25, 2011, 10:47 AM:
 
Has anyone had troubles responding to the latest list (last Friday)? I'm getting rather antzy because I had an email problem, not of my causing, where the body of my reply emails kept getting deleted (error message: "The original message content contained a virus or was blocked due to blocking rules and has been removed"). I've no idea why that was heppening.

So dear Gary shoots a few messages back, and I try sending it differently, early on Monday (end of day for him) with no joy. Once I tried it from a different email address, it appears that his day was done. No further replies.

My take is that they're so inundated with requests to buy stuff that mine is buried beyond hope. Wasn't meant to be?
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 25, 2011, 12:18 PM:
 
Bill - I know from visiting the store on Tuesday they were very busy on Monday - busiest days trading for 5 years, I was told.

Most of the items on the last weeks list had gone by Tuesday, but they may be compling one for this weekend????

We'll have to see? Best of luck if that happens with getting your "wants".
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on August 25, 2011, 01:35 PM:
 
As I thought. Well, good for them, not all bad if they've a little cash as they close out.

Keith, very grateful for this information, thank you.

It's a feeding frenzy!
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 25, 2011, 02:00 PM:
 
Bill
If you want something from the latest list, thats if there is another one, I would recommend phoning them ASAP when they open up in the morning. Its my understanding they deal with people coming through the door first thing in the morning and the phone before opening any e-mails, so if like me the chance at the moment from e-mails, of getting a film before the vultures move in is pretty slim.

Graham.
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on August 25, 2011, 03:44 PM:
 
Spoke to Ged today to place another order, and he informed me there would be another list very early next month, probably the very last list. The Derann team were busy doing a stock check this morning so this information will be used for the last list.

I have also been told that depending how the sale goes on the 11th September, Derann may continue until the end of the month but that depends on the stock left and managers decision.

Imagine when clearing some old boxes they find a new scope print of Star Wars . One can dream.

Graham S
 

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Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on August 25, 2011, 11:02 PM:
 
Remember everyone that Wilton's historic 'Hollywood UK' was remastered, extended with new material and re-issued as a double disc DVD a few years ago and still available. I still run my copy regularly and I think I'll be running it again next time I'm home for a while.

Just go to the Filmtek pages of www.bfcc.biz to take a look and if you need to the contact and purchase details email me at john(dot)clancy(at)bfcc(dot)biz.
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on August 26, 2011, 03:14 AM:
 
I’ve been asked to produce a few more copies of our DVD ‘This is Cinema’ which includes all four of the super 8 films I made about 8mm film, 9.5, 17.5, Derann, Perrys and the first Warner Cinema in the UK etc. I’ll fetch these to the Derann Day on the 11th. One film on the DVD also includes footage of Derek striping using the paste striper which is my own personal favourite clip. The DVD has all four of my super 8mm filmed documentaries included should anyone not already have it.

I still can’t quite get my head round Derann going and boy we are going to miss them, especially Gary’s humour at the shop and Blackpool along with a ready supply of films, gear and advice over the phone. If you are anything like me its been a case of having a few quiet moments looking at the Derann collection recalling when a film was purchased and where. We will all be looking forward to visiting Derann next month.

Simon. Yup it makes the footage we filmed at various open days so nice to watch again. When I get chance I will compile a new clip with some of the older footage showing Derek and post on the tube as well.
 

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Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on August 26, 2011, 05:52 AM:
 
Let's reflect on the good times with Derann, amd all the fine people who deal through the years - Shorty
 

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Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on August 26, 2011, 07:45 AM:
 
A few people have asked about a final issue of FFTC. It would be nice, but it's going to be hard for Derann to do with them closing down the business; in fact Ged has said zero chance, which is absolutely understandable. Ironically, that last edition, written before any idea of closing down was announced, contains some reflective articles on Derann; Memories From The Late Derek Simmonds, an old staff photo from the early 1980s, Derann Open Day 2011 pictures, A reflection on David Erskine & Blackpool. So, it's quite a good edition to have as a final one, even though that fact was unknown at the time. Thanks must go to Derann for keeping this excellent magazine going since September 1985. It has been very much appreciated.
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on August 26, 2011, 08:13 AM:
 
Quite right Simon..
As our own little tribute to Derann we are having a small gathering, screening our first few films ever purchased and will be raising a glass to that wonderful 8mm distributor who have kept us entertained for so many years now. Next month we invade the shop and from what I hear they can expect a great number of people coming to buy on the day.
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on August 26, 2011, 07:55 PM:
 
Showed up today



-almost seems a shame to open it!
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on August 26, 2011, 11:07 PM:
 
Steve
I could not agree more...its certainly an end of an era.

Joe made me think when he mentioned reflecting back.

The first issue I bought was back in July 1993.
Always interesting and in particular Keith Wilton Super8 review .

Hope Gary does not mind...the photos are from "FFTC" Issue No45 Spring 2000.

I sent on some photos to Derek in 1996 of our home cinema. I was surprised and very pleased he took the time to write back asking if it was ok to publish them.
It was really something to get a mention in the magazine.

Issue No34 Summer 1996.

I have not missed an issue since 1993, it was a must to keep up with the latest in the world of Super8 film collecting.

I wish Gary and all the staff at Derann all the best and hope they still keep in contact in the future.

Graham.
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on August 28, 2011, 04:24 AM:
 
Watched some recent super 8 films from Derann including the 'Summer Nights' 200 ft reel. Excellent print typical of the top standard set by Derann.

Then watched clips from Hollywood UK 2005 and Men Behind the Movies reel 2.

For those interested it's MBTM reel 2 that contains a short history of Derann (Note: there are 4 seperate DVD's of MBTM )

John, My Hollywood UK 2005 is a single disc, I think you was referring to Armchair Odeons which is 2 discs )

Graham S
 

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Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on August 28, 2011, 06:08 AM:
 
I will certainly miss buying new and used films from Derann. I will miss the expertise and top quality service of Gary and the guys. I decided about 5 years ago to buy more from them while I could; I will be even more determined now to support CHC, Reel Images and the others.
 

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Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on August 29, 2011, 04:11 AM:
 
You're probably right Graham. I was in America when I posted all the information on those historical DVDs and my recollection of it being vastly extended to the VHS suggested a double DVD but it's probably just double the length of the VHS. In fact, I've just got out of my seat and checked, and yes, it's a single but extended DVD.

It's a shame I don't have the time but I can't see any way I can attend the last open day. 15 hours a day, 7 days a week rather takes care of that.
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on August 29, 2011, 05:41 AM:
 
Welcome to the club John. How us youngsters cope I have no idea.

 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on August 29, 2011, 11:09 PM:
 
Just learned this morning from my email provider's spam report that Gary DID reply to all my emails, but MY spam blocker deleted everything from a "co.uk" domain before I could see it. GRRRRRRRR.

See there, their customer service record is flawless even during a feeding frenzy.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on August 30, 2011, 01:30 PM:
 
I wrote Gary and told him that if he wants to, just send me his e-mail address in case he'd like to stay in touch. That is how much of a friend I think of him!

There is the German film lab and it is quite good, ut that Derann quality really isn't something I think that we are bound to see again, especially concerning those Disney features and shorts.

Derann's print quality on negatives that were originally other companies work (for instance, Red Fox Films), were quite a bit better as well. I swear, I have never even seen 16MM prints of some of those rare Warner Brother cartoons that were near as good.

I have a print of "Gruesome Twosome" an alltime classic by Bob Clampett, and I have observed individual frames from it, and it is truly comparable to the DVD box set copies of these films. That is no joke and it's amazing to think of the level of quality to these prints. The same can be said for "Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarves", another rare Bob Clampett Warners short.

... and the belief they held for the super 8 market, for so long. When nearly everybody else was throwing in the towel, Derann KNEW that there were super 8 loovers all over the world that stubbornly held onto thier collection in the face of VHS, laserdisc and DVD and still plodded on and were rewarded handsomely!

Man Oh Man, I will miss Derann!
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on August 30, 2011, 05:10 PM:
 
Not to mention Gary's sense of humour!

Well, the less said about that, probably the better......
 

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Posted by Joe Caruso (Member # 11) on August 31, 2011, 05:51 AM:
 
Gentlemen, keep those last boxes, packages, labels and catalogs, when a book is written on film distributors, it will be much needed - Shorty
 

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Posted by Pasquale DAlessio (Member # 2052) on August 31, 2011, 01:01 PM:
 
Shorty

Again....it's all about the boxes!

Pat
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on September 02, 2011, 12:55 PM:
 
The "Final" email list was received this morning.



I hope their final stock clearance nets good cash for them all.
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on September 02, 2011, 01:15 PM:
 
I got the list too...

If I was buying drinks instead of buying films I'd be sick as a dog tomorrow morning!
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 02, 2011, 01:24 PM:
 
I'm actually going to leave that list on my e-mail, just as tribute to them.

Derann, how I already miss thee!
 

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Posted by Joe Taffis (Member # 4) on September 02, 2011, 04:21 PM:
 
Where are all of Derann's FEATURE films? Why aren't any of them on clearance? Are they being sold to another vendor????
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on September 02, 2011, 04:38 PM:
 
Joe - believe it or not, the "feature films" at Derann have been in short supply for about 18 months now. There have not been any films printed since the UK laboratory closed.

Therefore, the stocks that they had, upon lab closure, have all been sold over the past 18/24 months.

I went to the shop last week to pick up my copy of "The Abyss" and was told then that all they had "new" was a couple of features in stock, a Disney title and an MGM musical. I only managed to get "The Abyss" (which I have been after for a long time) because the collector who ordered it (when it was in stock along with a lot of other titles) could not afford to pay for the film before Deranns closure. He had "first option" and could not raise the funds.

There may be the odd feature title with dealers like Dave Thomas etc. who bought titles when they were "plentiful".

What there is now is ALL there is and that is it. It's then down to, either another distributor to "take up the reins", or between us, the collector, to sell / trade etc by whatever means we can.
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 02, 2011, 05:34 PM:
 
It's grim to see a list that explicitly states "the last list" - goodness knows how many sales lists there have been since the the mid-1960s. At least those of us going on Sept 11th won't have to pay any postage on our final orders!
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on September 02, 2011, 08:12 PM:
 
Joe, in this sad time, I'm totally confused by your question?

Do you mean; what will happen to the negatives for the feature films which Derann held? No other vendor holds any sort of copyright.

Derann did not hold stock of feature films (well, only a few titles, which were all ordered before the lab closed). This would have cost too much money. EDIT: Ref: Keith's reply.

Prints were pretty much made to order.

Of course, every 1 print ordered meant an order of 2 from the lab.

A certain TV company finished off film laboratories overnight with their budget cuts and our hobby suffered...

Of course, film laboratories are not the only people to suffer...

Such a sad day today... And only the beginning, I feel...
 

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Posted by Ricky Daniels (Member # 95) on September 03, 2011, 01:42 AM:
 
I spoke with Ged yesterday for the first time since hearing about their untimely and forced closure due to spiraling local taxes, energy costs and the closure of the UK 16mm labs. What a very sad story and an unceremonious end to a wonderful institution, that must have been a very hard decision for Adrian to make indeed.

Many thanks and Good Luck to all of the Derann team for the future and as they say 'Thanks for the memories' they'll always bring a smile

Rick
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 03, 2011, 04:33 AM:
 
All I’ve been doing after work is watching Derann Film issues and reminiscing all the time. Amazing the impact Derann have had with our hobby and certainly pivotal to it all for so many years. I wonder what will happen to all Deranns hardware and fingers crossed it wont be another Perrys where most of the printing & lab gear wound up in a skip.
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 03, 2011, 06:42 AM:
 
It's difficult to be very optimistic about Derann's equipment surviving. The striper would be an enormous challenge to get working again, so who will consider it worthwhile, considering the space it occupies, the lack of certainty regarding whether it can work well again and the limited amount of demand for striping nowadays. As for the sound recording equipment, it's hard to imagine anyone interested except CHC. But I believe CHC bought Perry's former recording equipment but didn't use it. I suppose someone might be able to use the slitter. I hope I'm wrong, but if the situation was brighter, I expect someone would have bought the printer at Film Labs North when that closed, and we wouldn't now have only one lab in the world printing Super 8!
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 03, 2011, 09:04 AM:
 
Bit daunting to even think about it.
Derek invested heavily in both time and money to secure a future for 8mm when the striper went in, it would be tragic to see it come to a sad end. Chatting to Uncle Ian from Perrys he recalled the grey day Arthur and he loaded the lab gear into skips and wept at the time. It must have been devastating to see machinery you have worked on with a great workmate finally meet the tip. Even today I have clear memories of the two trips I made to Ian’s shop making my super 8 film Cinema in Miniature which they would later release on 8mm. My how things are a-changing!

Better get back to the rewinders as it’s our Derann tribute weekend so plenty to get done before being invaded.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 03, 2011, 10:23 AM:
 
C'mon folks, lets put our money where our mouth is ...

and if I had the money, my mouth would be right there to buy that striping equipment! Damn this money crunch!
 

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Posted by John Clancy (Member # 49) on September 04, 2011, 03:12 AM:
 
There's just no market for Super 8 any longer Osi. It's a terrible shame but if Derann couldn't make a go of it then how is anyone else? Unless an individual has a spare barn to house all this equipment and offer Super 8 prints on a loss making basis then there is just no future.

It's about time one of us enthusiasts won the lottery and spent some of the winnings on this wonderful hobby!
 

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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on September 04, 2011, 04:18 AM:
 
My thoughts exactly John,it is hard to have to admit that cine film always was, is and always will be the most enjoyable way to watch our movies but i it has to be said that with the likes of blu-ray, home cinema has now come within reach of everyone and it is so cheap to run once your set up. We are keeping our cine films and equipment, in fact, as we speak one by one our projectors are having a Bill Parsons work over to ensure they go on for many moreyears, maybe thats where all cine enthusiats should look right now to? There is also the likes of Perrys, Paul Foster and CHC to support, as well as a few others to keep this hobby alive for as long as possible. It is clearly only going to be a second hand market from here on with the exception of a very few rare releases.

On Derann, its clear no one wants to see them fold, had they have folded 5 years ago maybe our hobby would have died by now who knows? Steam trains are still going because of enthusiasts so no reason why our hobby shouldnt go on, I feel very sorry for the boys at Derann because you will probably find that the staff didnt know this was going to happen until just before it was announced on here, (incorredctly as well), so can you imagine how they must be feeling after so many loyal years to there employer? I Know how i would be feeling! So my last thoughts are for the three main hard working devoted men in the cine department. Whats next for them? If it were any of us how would we be feeling waking up the next day with no work after a life of work?
Good luck to all at Derann.
 

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Posted by Jean-Marc Toussaint (Member # 270) on September 04, 2011, 04:53 AM:
 
Well said, Tom.
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 04, 2011, 05:23 AM:
 
Nothing like the intermittent for me Tom!
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 04, 2011, 05:51 AM:
 
Whilst broadly agreeing with Tom, I don't think the new release situation is quite that bad - and it hasn't suddenly become worse - even though it's obviously a very small number in comparision to the 80s and 90s. So far this year, there has been a new Super 8 feature together with a few trailers and the odd animated short, etc, so I'd guess that (worldwide) there must have been about 15-20 releases in the last 12 months. In this day and age, I'd say that's something to celebrate rather than be sad about!
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on September 04, 2011, 08:49 AM:
 
Yes, when all is said and done, it's the guys at Derann I feel for most.

Honestly, I think this is all still sinking in with me. I know I'm being melodramtic, but when something has always been there, your whole life, and part of it, it is just so sad...

I know some will tell me to get a grip, but it is a bit like a bereavement, because in months to come I will find myself thinking, "oh, I need so and so, I'll give Derann a call..."

Then remember.

Sorry if this sounds a bit much, but I'm truly finding it quite upsetting!

Anyway, once again, to all at Derann...best wishes guys...
 

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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on September 04, 2011, 09:49 AM:
 
True about new releases, i'd completly forgot to mention Steve at the reel image to, that little magazine is very good, and of course a few new releases do get imported still.
Something i was amazed about is this, when i spoke to Ged at Derann a week ago i coildnt believe what he was telling me, that some people were actually ringing the super 8 department moaning about the closure asking "where am i meant to go to get cine stuff now", suffice to say he explained that they have to bite there tongues, i know what i would have said, but thats me i guess, arnt some people clueless and selfish !!!
 

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Posted by John Hourigan (Member # 111) on September 04, 2011, 09:55 AM:
 
It's amazing, Tom -- I could add other stories to yours regarding the selfishness of some collectors -- particularly those who brag about "owning" a vast collection of films, of which few are actually paid for in full.

It terms of moaning to Derann, unfortunately some collectors are so consumed by the hobby that they lose all sense of reason (and reality).
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on September 04, 2011, 11:06 AM:
 
The irony of all this is - when you look at the "interest" that the "closure" has had on this, and other forums, if all these "posts" had been transmutted into orders, over the past few months, the "Film Business" may still have been viable!

What really struck home to me, is when I went to the shop, the Tuesday after "the announcement", Ged told me that the Monday had been their busiest "trading day" for years!

It's definately a case of "Not appreciating what you have got until it's gone".

The other "tragedy", in my opinion is, with the "Closing Down Sale" taking place this coming Sunday, how many "carrion crows" will be in attendance to "pick at the carcase"?

How many films will we see on EBay over the next few months that were purchased "for a song" and will be sold profit?

Yes, the "true collectors" who can attend(the ones who have made the effort to attend the Open Days and the Conventions in the past)will be there.

There will, of course, be "true collectors" who would love to be there, but cannot!

But, most of all there will be the "vultures" who are there for the "pickings" and never been to either the shop or a convention at all! That is the biggest shame of it all!

The only consolation to all of this is the "film releases" we have in our collections NOW. How bare our shelves would be if Derann had not "carried the flag" when all others gave up?

I don't have to wish the lads well for the future at the end of this post, I have already done that and will do it again in person on Sunday.
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on September 04, 2011, 11:15 AM:
 
Yes Keith, that's why I'm going on Sunday...to shake hands with the guys.

True, I may buy a last film for posterity, but it will be bitter sweet...

Let's hope we all attend with a similar mind set.
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on September 04, 2011, 11:24 AM:
 
We can but hope Rob?

It would be nice to think that "haggling" will not take place. We all like a bargain but, under the circumstances, and knowing that the stock will be more than fairly priced, for the occasion, let's hope they get the asking price!

There I go again "dreaming out loud".
 

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Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on September 04, 2011, 12:51 PM:
 
I shall be there on Sunday, I have been going to most of the Blackpool conventions since 1986 and that's where I got to know all the Derann staff, I'm gutted for them and the hobby as a whole, it can't possibly be the same without them. November will feel very hollow this year.
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 04, 2011, 12:52 PM:
 
That's shocking that some people have complained about the closure - I suggest the staff tell them that anyone eager to see a cine-orientated business on the premises will soon have an opportunity to start one themselves!

I sincerely hope that the crowd next Sunday is not characterised by the 'vultures' that Keith fears. The guys travelling with me in my group are primarily motivated by the chance to enter the premises one last time, and express appreciation to the staff. No doubt there could be irresistable bargains too, but it would be dreadful to buy items specifically to sell them. I hope the prices are not so low that any dealers present are tempted to bulk buy at the start of the day, reducing the opportunities for others. I'm optimistic that there won't be 'haggling', as if someone isn't willing to pay the asking price, I expect someone else will.

I identify with Rob's comment about it not having fully sunk in. I don't suppose I'm the only one here to realise that Derann have had a greater influence on my leisure activities than any other company, as there's no way that I would have become such a keen collector (and film show organiser) in the 1980s if not for the exciting succession of new releases that 'hooked me in' to the Super 8 world in such a big way. And who else but Derann could have caused me to spend far more overnight stays in Blackpool over the last 27 years, than in any other town in the UK!
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 04, 2011, 12:54 PM:
 
Perhaps we can all try and be a bit upbeat next week and I know quite a number are making the trip from our neck of the woods so it will be good to see the guys and also buy on the day which is what Derann intended after all. Empty your money boxes folks and lets do our bit to give them a good send off.
 

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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on September 04, 2011, 01:11 PM:
 
Kieth raised good points, i very much would like to go but will be unable to however, i did make a small purchase over the phone as one last Derann order and did tell the blokes via email that i couldnt come but if i did i would very much be way to verbal at vultures who may be there,
I no for a fact that the good people of this and Kevin and Dans forums who will attend will be there for good reasons.
Everyone must remember though that once Derann are closed the staff have no jobs, i never wish that on anyone.
For those who do attend let us know what the day was like.From what i gather an awful lot of the films have alrerady gone as has much equipment and accessories.
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on September 04, 2011, 01:24 PM:
 
How about this scenario?

We turn up on Sunday and everything is already sold, except for the coffee?

It certainly wouldn't bother me too much.
 

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Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on September 04, 2011, 02:10 PM:
 
I'm keen to go and step foot inside Derann one more time. I have thoroughly enjoyed all of the Open Days over the last years and would go, as many of you have said on here, just to wish the lads well.

I wonder whether Duncan Macleod may show up? You may recall he left the Derann team in 2005.
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 04, 2011, 02:15 PM:
 
Hopefully they will have the few items I need left fingers crossed and perhaps some new movies to play with. A couple of movie guys are also travelling down from Scotland to show support so hope they also find something of interest with the distance in mind.
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on September 04, 2011, 02:41 PM:
 
Well, the Derann Gravy...ahem, sorry... Memorabilia train has started rolling early. I don't know who the seller is. No one here I would hope.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270811926802?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid =p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_500wt_1156

[ September 04, 2011, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Michael O'Regan ]
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 04, 2011, 05:41 PM:
 
Reading through everyones comments about the last day, I wish I could come, even its just to say "thanks" face to face. Simon I only spoke to Duncan once and that was long ago I phoned Gary about films late one night and he put me onto Duncan. It might have been to translate what I was asking for...being slightly Scottish myself even though I have e-mailed Gary if someone could say thanks for me, to Gary from that Scottish chap in the shaking city 12000 miles away that would be great.

Regards Graham.
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on September 04, 2011, 05:47 PM:
 

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From what I gather an awful lot of the films have alrerady gone as has much equipment and accessories.

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I think youre right, my guess is there will be more AV equipment than film. Already bought a load of stuff myself so I know a lot of it is gone already.

Graham S
 

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Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on September 04, 2011, 09:52 PM:
 
Bill, Steve, Osi, was that Derann list you received the other day the 16mm list, which I received or a Super 8 list? I did not receive a Super 8 list!
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on September 04, 2011, 10:20 PM:
 
I received a Super-8 list on Friday roughly 5:00 PM Dudley time. I was at work, and on lunch.

I don't think I ever dove into a Derann used list more purposefully than this one. I wasn't just out for films I'd really like, but some I thought I might like. There's something about last opportunities that motivate action.

It is after 11:00 PM here, when I wake up tomorrow morning I'll get to find out what films I got from the 8 I requested.
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 05, 2011, 12:57 AM:
 
Steve
I have done the same thing around five films I think, cant remember, our computer has been playing up so only e-mailed yesterday. Gary is going to be busy, however I think overseas customers like ourselves should be given first choice dont you think and not those folk living in the UK anyway, joking aside I will miss those lists

Graham.
 

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Posted by David Kilderry (Member # 549) on September 05, 2011, 01:13 AM:
 
Looks like they've posted it on their website, so I had a good look. Many of the new shorts and cartoons they are selling I have bought from them over the last few years.

No doubt any features left over will be at the open (closing) day sale later this week.

Who will buy their last GS 1200 I wonder?
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 05, 2011, 03:15 AM:
 
Oh I do get over excited about film..

[ September 06, 2011, 03:02 AM: Message edited by: Lee Mannering ]
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on September 05, 2011, 03:44 AM:
 
Lee,
I'm not sure what you mean, chum. A bereaved family? This item is a Derann box - my opinion is this is plainly an attempt to cash in on the Derann closure. Unless, of course, it's a coincidence. However, let's be honest - how many times have we seen a box for sale as a single item?

To be honest, I couldn't care less one way or the other - I was simply responding to what someone above mentioned regarding those who might wish to cash in on the closure.

Have a great day,

Mike

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I don't even know what this means!!
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 05, 2011, 04:05 AM:
 
Hmm.
I think above they were referring to people trying to clear up or heavy barter on the last days trading down at Dudley. The proof of the pudding will be who actually puts the time in making the trip to Derann to buy which is what they will be hoping for. Fingers crossed the day goes well for them as closing down a long standing family business and moving the last stock will I am sure be daunting for them all.
 

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Posted by Martin Jones (Member # 1163) on September 05, 2011, 04:09 AM:
 
Perhaps Lee knows something we don't know.... so I looked through ALL the seller's other listings and the ONLY reference I could find that MIGHT apply was.... "Part of a large collection of Derann Disney Features we have been asked to help selling and will be listing here in the coming months".
If it is something we don't know, there doesn't appear to be any way we COULD know. LEE?
My two-pennyworth.... a STARTING bid on an 824D... £200?
Martin
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 05, 2011, 04:20 AM:
 
Hi Martin.
Yes perhaps and I also thought the Oimig price was rather low what with it being complete and all.
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on September 05, 2011, 06:42 AM:
 
Just got my reply from Derann.

Out of 8 films I got none!

I guess the 15 minutes I spent looking through the list was more than enough!
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on September 05, 2011, 06:43 AM:
 

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Re Michael O'Regan gravy train comment above.
If you call someone who is willing to help a bereaved family dispose of a collectors items its certainly some gravy train chum. Perhaps give your thoughts a little more time to cure before posting as I would hate the bereaved family to read your post on this open forum when they already upset enough!

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Well, I've just had a chance to recheck the listing and I can see nothing there about selling for a bereaved family, Lee.
I'm not sure I understand why you had a pop at me over this?
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 05, 2011, 08:07 AM:
 
For what it worth, I had a look at the eBay seller's listings and I don't think there's a connection with Derann's closure - which isn't mentioned and they may be unaware of - and they are selling non-Derann films too. Considering that they are asking £15 for 200' releases, the empty 1970s-era Derann box for £2 (with free postage) isn't too exorbitant when you consider the cost of postage, eBay and Paypal fees. It looks in excellent condition and if it attracts no other bids, I might buy it myself to re-house an old Derann release that's currently in a tatty box!
 

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Posted by Brian James (Member # 1056) on September 05, 2011, 12:01 PM:
 
Spoke to Gary today and there isn't much left. All splicing kit has gone and so have the lamps and white boxes that was on their last list. As for films left he didn't say. I think a lot of collectors are going to be disappointed when they make that final trip.
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 05, 2011, 12:55 PM:
 
I suppose it's partly a matter of whether they managed to list all the remaining used prints on the final list, or whether there are more on the premises. There always seemed to lots waiting to be checked and listed.

I'd be surprised if there weren't reasonable numbers of new prints left though - there were plenty listed on the last list. When I phoned to reserve a 200' railway film I wanted, Ged checked trays already prepared for next Sunday and said "we only have one left of those". So even if films are going like 'hot cakes', maybe the number of new shorts they ordered before the lab closed was so substantial that they still have 2 or 3 copes of quite a few.

If everything is sold by 11am - and that doesn't include the Derann GS Xenon - perhaps the staff will permit a final 'farewell' film screening in the cinema, with the audience providing the films!
 

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Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on September 05, 2011, 02:16 PM:
 
I am going to take along my Super 8 cine camera to get some footage. I am sure this would be okay to do wouldn't it? I think it should be recorded on the stuff Derann championed; Super 8 film!
 

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Posted by Flavio Stabile (Member # 357) on September 05, 2011, 03:12 PM:
 
Hi All,
just regarding the final newsletter... I was checking my emails when it arrived at 4:56 time lasy friday.
Immediately checked it for about eight minutes... found 8 titles...replied to Gary at 5:08 and he replied this morning: all films are sold!

In the last six months I never succedeed in buying even a short!

Even the GS1200 lamps, the white card boxes for 600' reels and the 400' grasso reels were not available!

Indeed these last newsletters are very strange to me...

F.
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 05, 2011, 04:02 PM:
 
Whats a "Gravy Train"???

By gum...
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on September 05, 2011, 04:54 PM:
 
To especially Steve and Flavio -- My reply to the Final List took more than 8 or 15 minutes, so not surprisingly none of my wishes were available either. I did request a few of their discounted new 200-footers, and scored about half.

If the store is emptied of stock, that's the best possible thing for our friends there.

Simon, a smashing idea and hope you catch some good footage for us.
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on September 05, 2011, 05:47 PM:
 
Steve and Flavio, Im afraid its always been the case you need to phone and phone quick not email. I know its costly if you live abroad but im afraid its always been the way at Derann. But even I have also lost out on films by not phoning quick enough. It seems certain films I want, 200 other collectors also want and phone minutes after recieving the email and when I get the chance to phone I hear "its gone".

Still this is all in the past now. It will be very sad not to receive these email lists every month. Even if I dont buy any films they make very enjoyable reading.

Graham
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on September 05, 2011, 06:18 PM:
 
I've done very well by e-mailing to the lists over the years, but it's all in the timing...

If Derann sent out a list just before they went home for the day it arrived while my British Brethren were driving home from their jobs.

On the other hand I'm five time zones back so very often they showed up my desk at work just as I was supposed to be headed to lunch on Friday. For quite a few years I was basically bolted to my chair from 11:45 to 12:15 on Fridays: poised to pounce! ("Why doesn't Steve ever want to go out to lunch?")

What stunk was when the lists showed up at my house when I was unemployed...I almost didn't want to see what was inside!
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 05, 2011, 06:58 PM:
 
I must admit although e-mail was good I did miss those lists and newsletters that came through the normal post. Its just as well I missed out on many films over the years, as otherwise I would have been totally broke so missing out was not altogether a bad thing.

Graham.
 

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Posted by Greg Marshall (Member # 1268) on September 05, 2011, 09:17 PM:
 
I scored two reels the week before last, was supposed to have been paid for on 8/26 and shipped, but haven't been charged yet, and emailed Gary about it. Haven't heard from him. I'm sure they're busy, but I see these titles on the final list, so unless they are duplicates, I'm unsure as to my order. We'll see, I guess.
 

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Posted by Laksmi Breathwaite (Member # 2320) on September 05, 2011, 10:41 PM:
 
Sorry to hear about Derann but I was unhappy when Red Fox films stopped business. But collectors will find ways to collect and someone will take hold of the torch and carry it in the future.
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on September 06, 2011, 12:31 PM:
 
Could things get more difficult? Sure. Will collecting continue? Absolutely, until all lowfade polyester prints rot. Not in our lifetimes!

Starting to think that the Final List only took one phone call: "Ged, I'll take everything!" Now, who would do a thing like that?
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on September 06, 2011, 01:30 PM:
 
Gary sent me an e-mail this morning, the films I asked for are gone, it does not bother me, my main concern is that Gary finds another job. As for any future film collecting, its the end of the road for me. I am not interested in e-bay but will continue to enjoy the films that I have got and hopefully keep those projectors running for a few more years yet.

Graham.
 

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Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on September 06, 2011, 02:52 PM:
 
Just received my last order from Derann. NO HUNTING in scope and TUMMY TROUBLE. I still want a few more features. Had I had the funds I would have gotten THE ABYSS.
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on September 06, 2011, 03:10 PM:
 
I have just returned from Deranns this evening.

It was really sad to see the shop and the lads working so frantically to fulfill all the orders they have received this week. It really felt unjust that they are working so hard to satisfy collectors when, after Sunday they will be out of employment.

It was my intention to be there on Sunday, and I told the lads as much. Unfortunately, on our return home we were involved in a car accident. Thankfully, neither my wife, my daughter or myself were injured, niether were any third parties. But, it does mean that I may not have transport to attend on Sunday.

Therefore, I am sure Gary,Ged,Steve and Adrian know that I wish them the best of everyting for the future, whatever that may be.

Also, my profound thanks for all their help in the past and most of all, their friendship. Dudley will not be the same anymore and that, is a big thing to say for someone who was born not far away from there.

Good luck lads - you deserve it!
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on September 07, 2011, 11:34 AM:
 
Just got off the phone and have reliable word that there ARE still some films in the shop to purchase, so Sunday is NOT just a coffee reception!
 

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Posted by Mark Williams (Member # 794) on September 07, 2011, 01:02 PM:
 
Very sad news indeed,I will be there on Sunday to say goodbye to the lads,who else is going?
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 08, 2011, 07:48 AM:
 
Keith. We are both thinking of you all and do take care. XXXX

Mark. I'll be going and also picking up a few old faces on the way to fill the car up all being well. As with everyone else going it will be great to thank all the lads and also buy some items to help Adrian clear some stock out down the store.
We are gonna miss them big time!
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on September 08, 2011, 09:56 AM:
 

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Oh I think they're very much aware of it, Adrian.

Have a good time on Sunday those who are going. I know it'll be a very nostalgic trip for some of you.
 

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Posted by Michael Hyde (Member # 748) on September 08, 2011, 04:15 PM:
 
On a lighter note,how many can recall being there at Deranns,on the day they opened their store in 1978,with Barbara Windsor doing the honours?...Yesterday recalling with Adrian some of the names of the past staff who worked there....great times to remember...the premier night film shows on the saturday evening before the sunday open days?...the large 8mm film library shelves we used to delve into?...great times..and a great company of guys there...gonna miss you all
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on September 08, 2011, 06:03 PM:
 
I totally agree Michael.

Thought it might be nice to list a "Roll of Honour" or "End Credits" of current and past staff that I can remember -

Derek Simmonds
Ann Simmonds
Steve Simmonds
Adrian Simmonds
Ged Jones
Gary Brocklehurst
Steve Wellings
Steve Morris
Dale Hemenway
Mark Ratcliffe
Mike Dimmock
Duncan Macleod
Paul Foster
Dave Worrall
John Thompson
Graham Dale
Marlene

(Also, all the "behind the scenes" staff ie Accounts)

God Bless 'em all

My sincere apologies for anyone I've missed. If anyone can "enlarge" the list, then please do so.

[ September 11, 2011, 02:28 AM: Message edited by: Keith Ashfield ]
 

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Posted by Mal Brake (Member # 14) on September 09, 2011, 08:37 AM:
 
Can't enlarge on the sales staff, but remember most of them. Steve Morris would try to flog you anything at the open days,sometimes offering a 'mystery' 2 reeler, already bagged for £10. It usually turned out to be an Elvis cutdown for some reason.
Perhaps Marlene should get a mention for her contribution during the auctions.
There is a quote saying something like "Don't be sad it's over, just be happy it happened"
 

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Posted by Winbert Hutahaean (Member # 58) on September 09, 2011, 11:47 AM:
 
Is that the same Paul Foster who runs Paul Foster Films?
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 09, 2011, 12:22 PM:
 
Yes, it's the same Paul Foster.

I have fond memories of Dale Hemenway, as if you bought items from him at conventions or open days, he would quickly ask you for a sum that covered everthing, which always sounded very reasonable. If you then added up the full value of the items, you found that he had 'rounded down' the total by about 25%! Many years later, I mentioned this to another member of staff, who was astonished!

I vaguely recall that Dale may have gone on to do something in the film industry.
 

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Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on September 09, 2011, 12:29 PM:
 
It's the last day of trading on Sunday...I wonder what the last ever film to be sold will be?
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on September 09, 2011, 01:07 PM:
 
Adrian - you are correct in your assumption about Dale and "working in the film industry". Here is a link to his website -

Dale Hemenway

I believe Dale was instrumental in getting "The Snowman" released on Supr 8mm

The other "name" on there is Dave Worrall who is now a successful author / publisher / film producer. He is one of the co-founders of "Cinema Retro" and self confessed fanatic about films of the 1970/80's

Cinema Retro
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 09, 2011, 06:03 PM:
 
Keith - thanks for the link regardng Dale. I thought he was involved in animation, but I was more aware of Dave's accomplishments, and bumped into him several years ago at a concert in London.

It's not surprising that some very creative people have worked for Derann Film Services, as the film handling and marketing, and links with major distributors must have given a very real sense of working within the film industry. In the great days of the 80s and 90s, I always felt you were entering an outpost of Hollywood when you walked in for an Open Day!
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on September 10, 2011, 04:53 PM:
 
Can't help but see
an auction such as this
as a likely attempt to capitalize on Derann's shutdown. I am suspious, but have no direct knowledge, that this was the print on Derann's second-to-last list, for a lot less money than the listing here (it was L220).
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on September 10, 2011, 05:01 PM:
 
Bill,

I may be wrong but I'm pretty certain that this seller had this print for sale quite some time before Derann announced their closure.

-Mike
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on September 10, 2011, 05:38 PM:
 
Absolutely correct Michael. I think this is the third attempt at selling this particular print.
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on September 10, 2011, 05:44 PM:
 
OK guys, thank you! I'll work harder at thinking kind thoughts! Of course, if this individual has that kind of money actually in the print, well, we wish them good success in getting it sold.
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on September 10, 2011, 05:51 PM:
 
Bill - don't apologise for your "thoughts". I am sure over the next few weeks they will be well founded.
 

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Posted by Michael Hyde (Member # 748) on September 11, 2011, 02:14 AM:
 
Two more to add to the Derann staff list...John Thompson their brilliant service engineer and Graham Dale
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 11, 2011, 10:21 AM:
 
It is now Sunday morning ...

9 am. Mountain standard time. In England, I would judge it is around 5 pm or so, which means that Derann is either preparing to lock it's doors as an operating business, at the close of the day, for the last time.

There's a part of me that really desperately wishes that I could be there to shake thier hands and say, "well done!", but I would almost want to to turn away as that door is locked for the last time time and the business closes up shop.

The haunting image of no doubt bare or nearly bare walls ...

The once plentiful shelves of 8mm and 16 film prints, now bereft of prints ...

walking the aisles walked so often with joy and anticipation on open days ...

The tours that the always helpful staff would give with enthusiasm is requested, concerning the inner workings of a "film house".

However ...

Derann will still exist ...

Everytime I spool up a Derann print! Everytime that Derann logo appears on the screen (remember those earlier 70's Derann Logo's on thier films?), everytime I just take a print out and observe the print quality and high grade color stock.

More thanX than I can really say, you fine lads!
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 11, 2011, 12:54 PM:
 
Our trip to the final day of Derann.
We awoke early wondering what lay ahead for what was bound to be an emotional day for many. Travelling down we listened to a radio programme with recollections of 9/11 and we very much had our friends is America in mind today as well.

Arriving at Derann, yes we were first having forgotten the doors opened at 10 and not 9AM we had a wander around the building which had issued so many great 8mm movies and supplied us with unprecedented service over oh so many years. A few minutes later we were joined by a steady trickle of collectors which by 9.45AM was a mass of people which was hearty to see them all lining up around the shop. I think we all wondered what would be in store having heard not a great deal was possibly going to be left. In fact once in the store we were all welcomed by Adrian and the staff along with a ample stock of new 8mm films and used prints, along with all manner of film related items so it did make most of us drool I guess. People travelled from far and wide to support the final day at Derann and yes I and others did get emotional at losing what was for us a great group of people we could almost call family.

People were rapidly sifting the new 8mm prints and used ones with a good number holding and piling films up to chin height such was the enthusiasm for buying from Derann. A selection of 16mm and 8mm projectors were on offer as well with so many other items it would take forever to mention them here, but you could more or less have set up your own home cinema from what was available today and I think one or two may have done just that. Once again it was good to be with like minded film fans as we shared our most precious memories going to Derann, Blackpool and buying from the lists.

Having loaded the car boot we one by one as many did went round thanking all the staff for the pleasure the films had given us, knowing Derann and such friendly people who work there who had looked after us so well, then lastly Adrian for who it must have been a very difficult day. We left the store during the afternoon and glancing over my shoulder people were still buying films which made me smile knowing that the issues Derann have made on 8mm will still be enjoyed for years to come by so many people.

Derann Films will certainly be remembered fondly here and thank you for the opportunity to spend the last day with you all and purchase some more wonderful items.
 

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Posted by Darren Payne (Member # 1517) on September 11, 2011, 01:13 PM:
 
We made off on our last trip to Derann this morning at 7.00 for the 3 hour drive. It was a day of mixed emotion, the joy of seeing what was on offer (and there was a lot of S 8mm/16mm film), marred with the thought of doing something that will never happen again.

I'd like to thank all at Derann for their hard work and sheer pleasure they have provided over the years since I've been collecting film. To me, It's like losing a relative.
 

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Posted by Michael Hyde (Member # 748) on September 11, 2011, 01:52 PM:
 
To re-iterate what Lee has said,it was heart warming to see many collectors turn out for the final day,this time around though everything was up for sale,including the settee many of us sat on to view the 3-D T.V. demos etc.and for good humour Adrian even bought down a large pack of toilet rolls.Litterally everthing was up for sale,lets hope some of the members can upload their photos to view.
 

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Posted by Adrian Simmonds (Member # 581) on September 11, 2011, 02:10 PM:
 
A quick reply to thank EVERYONE who have supported us over the years - it is appreciated more than you will ever know.

- so sorry, trying to keep this short, as this is very emotional for me, and all of the staff involved I am sure.

Thank you all, for all of the kind words of support and comfort that you given to me personally regarding the closure of Derann - many of you I have literaly grown up with over the years, and as I have said before I do not regard you as custmers, but as friends.

I intend to continue to look in on this forum on a regular basis, and look forward to hearing your views and aspirations regarding this wonderful hobby.

Adrian
 

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Posted by Nick Field (Member # 2132) on September 11, 2011, 02:17 PM:
 
It was for me an excellent but sad day,the memory of being there on the last day of public sales will stay with me forever,it was truely an honour being there to support the derann gang,I managed to grab a few 16mm features as well as a cir splicer,16mm black leaders,trailer's and a zoom lens for my eiki etc.It will be a huge hole in the 8mm/16mm sales industry but we will carry on.
 

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Posted by Douglas Meltzer (Member # 28) on September 11, 2011, 03:27 PM:
 
Adrian,

Thank you for posting here today. Derann has brought so much joy into our lives. We'll always be grateful to you, your family and your staff for the remarkable service provided by the world's biggest Super 8mm film distributor....Derann Film Services.

Doug
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on September 12, 2011, 09:01 AM:
 
For me, there was a very strong sense that you 'had' to be there but in reality you didn't want to be, because the closure of course meant that it was a deeply depressing occasion - one that you wished had never come. It was immensely sad to see a store that was always a smart and welcoming environment - associated with so many pleasant memories - conspicuously not looking 'right' for obvious reasons. And so sad to see the members of staff that you associate with decades of good service, providing that service on their very last day, as it was confirmed that it was the last day of trading to the public.

As I didn't arrive until about 12.30pm, I wondered if the film dept would be practically bare, but no, despite all the sales that must have happened by then, there were plenty of 8mm films (mostly new 200' releases), plus whole boxes full of 200' silent Disney shorts. I expect the latter were so cheap that I should have bought some just for the reels and boxes. There were also plenty of 16mm features and shorts. And still quite a bit of miscellaneous equipment, splicers, screens, etc. There were boxes of 16mm film hire catalogues, old cinema and film making magazines, and cine camera and projector instruction manuals, and I was very pleased to find one for a Bauer P8 16mm projector I'd obtained recently. There were one or two trays full of box lables for Derann releases, including hundreds of colour ones for the various Disney features - which brought home that they will never be used again. Even the last reels of sticky tape, specially produced for Derann in the sizes required for 8/16mm films, were on sale.

It was not unexpected, but still shocking to hear that equipment such as the sound recording machines that had played a key part in the Derann story, had had to be broken up in order to get some return on their scap metal value.

One relic of the 'golden era' was a large display board with numerous colour photos, just advertising one feature release - I think it was 'There's No Business Like Show Business'. Did anyone see any other unique momentos of this kind sold earlier, and did anyone buy a 'one off' of this kind?

Although the staff could use their discretion and no doubt knocked something off for multiple purchases, the prices of the 16mm features and shorts generally seemed to be unchanged for the day, and the remaining 8mm new stock was at the prices listed on the last newsletter. I suppose this means that one or more dealers had made a reasonable offer to take whatever remained, so there was no drastic cutting with a view to trying to see off everything. I expect we will see much of what remains on offer at Blackpool.

By 3.30pm the film dept was deserted, so I think I can claim to have bought the last film sold by Derann to the general public. It was a Super 8 trailer reel featuring 'Deep Impact' and 'Scream'. Not exactly a legendary release, but I suppose the first title reflects, for enormous numbers of collectors, the part that Derann played in their leisure activities, whilst the second reflects how we feel about the closure!

As others have said, other than helping Derann in their objective to sell as much as possible, the main thing was to have the chance to say goodbye to the staff and to reinforce that in future years, the sadness of this time will fade and hopefully they can take pride in having been a part of a unique and remarkably long-lasting success story.

[ September 12, 2011, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: Adrian Winchester ]
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 12, 2011, 09:16 AM:
 
Yes Adrian there were quite a number of Derek’s film display boards around. Some mentioned new releases and others were classic film posters on boards, at a guess around the 20 mark.

Amongst the items purchased I was over the moon to get the old 16mm catalogues and after last nights film screenings sat turning the pages remembering some of the old films within them. Amazing to have..
 

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Posted by Larry Arpin (Member # 744) on September 12, 2011, 09:56 AM:
 
Very sad to read posts of Derann's closing. Hope all will be well with the staff.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 12, 2011, 01:01 PM:
 
ThanX 4 that detailed post there Adrian. Many thanX!
 

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Posted by Del Phillipson (Member # 513) on September 12, 2011, 01:33 PM:
 
Again will agree it will be a day I will remember for a long long time, thanks for digging out the King Kong poster Lee, I'm looking for a frame for it :-), was great to see so many people there, I certainly put plenty in the Derann coffers. See you all at Blackpool (that includes you too Mr. Brocklehurst), Del.
 

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Posted by Simon McConway (Member # 219) on September 12, 2011, 04:43 PM:
 
I agree with Adrian...really, you felt like you didn't want to be there because it meant the end of an era. Ged said even the coffee maker knew it was the end as it blew up a few days earlier as he'd got it ready to clean.

The morning saw a queue outside the shop with collectors two or three deep around the counters, once the doors had opened. The two GS Xenon machines (as used at Derann's Open Days and also Blackpool...very historic machines) had gone a few weeks earlier. It was all very sad and almost reverently quiet. People were taking films respectfully; there was no grabbing. It was very sombre. Even the gold Rank man with gong was sold and taken down.

I took some Super 8 cine film in my cine cameras and at least 36 colour slides which I'll scan and hopefully upload here. I hope to make some sort of tribute reel to Derann with the footage. I bought up the last of the 8mm wide masking tape that was once used to secure the end of the film to the reel. Ged said Derek liked these "little extras"!

We had a few final laughs with Gary...he said the floor of his car had fallen out, but he'd be keeping it to run around in! The only good point was that both Gary and Steve said they'd probably see us at Blackpool in November.

The end of an era. I can't believe I'll never see Derann's 16 or 8mm list appear in my inbox again.
 

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Posted by Lee Mannering (Member # 728) on September 13, 2011, 03:25 AM:
 
Good to see you filming on 8mm Simon at the store and also another guy as we left was also spotted outside taking some shots.
 

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Posted by Osi Osgood (Member # 424) on September 13, 2011, 10:29 AM:
 
Well done Simon! We look forward to that!

Funny comment about the coffee maker going bad!
 

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Posted by Yanis Tzortzis (Member # 434) on September 13, 2011, 06:40 PM:
 
....it had to hapen while I was away in Greece for research-double sadness....anyway one final THANK YOU to Adrian and the DERANN staff for their looking after ua all those uears from me and the rest of the Greek collectors down here. Good we'll have Blackpool running,looking forward to it-although knowing it's never gonna be the same again without DERANN.....
 

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Posted by Bill Brandenstein (Member # 892) on September 15, 2011, 03:39 PM:
 
A nice little box arrived in today's mail. Talk about mixed feelings! (What's the old line? Like seeing your mother-in-law drive your Cadillac off a cliff?) I splurged on 4 200' titles (new stock) from the final list. Shipped last Friday, so was that the last or second-to-last day of posting from Derann?

So before off to work, put some treatment on them so they can dry for a day or two before projection, carefully opening the boxes so the cellophane doesn't come off altogether.

We are a bunch of sentimental old saps, yes? Or just people who are grateful for quality.

Thanks Adrian, Ged, and Gary, it's been a great experience, and I wish you very well.
 

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Posted by Lars-Goran Ahlm (Member # 1908) on November 20, 2011, 10:04 AM:
 
It's now a little over two months since Derann closed, and I must ask: Did anyone get a refund on their subscription on FFTC?
I emailed Gary the same week as they closed, and he promised to refund through Visa, I renewed in february an only got one issue after that. But till today I have not received any refund. I do feel a little disapointed that after 25 years of excellent service whenever something went wrong, it should end like this. It somewhat degrades all the good memories of all those years.
Don't get me wrong, it's not so much the money as the feeling that I have been let down by a "friend" that I really trusted implicitly.
 

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Posted by Graham Ritchie (Member # 559) on November 20, 2011, 11:35 AM:
 
Good point
I cant remember how many issues I was still paid up for, but no refund. I would have thought they would have had a list of folk that subscribe to it, where they were at "issue wise" and refund accordingly.

Graham.
 

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Posted by Rob Young. (Member # 131) on November 20, 2011, 11:53 AM:
 
I think toward the end, even with the best intentions from the lads at Derann, things like this may have been beyond their control.

I hear what you both are saying, but with Derann's closure we've lost a lot more than just our subscriptions.
 

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Posted by Tom Photiou (Member # 130) on November 20, 2011, 11:57 AM:
 
Lars, i have to say that i do see your point but,
Ive worked very loyally for the same company for 24 years now and if i had a few weeks notice of redundancy the last thing on my mind would be trying to help out customers,id be be focused on what to do next for my own income, No company on earth is going to be bothered about its staff no matter what,
Let me give you two examples i know of, here in Plymouth a car dealer closed over night, the boss, well known to me, gathered his staff together when they turned up for another day of work, turned on the acting tears and bulls*** and told his staff of 15 years he couldnt pay them due to liquidation and how sorry he was,the insult of this was that in the Night him and his son had come into the property stores and took all the desirable parts and car hifi. just two months later he opedned up a new buisness and took on all new staff and didnt even contact the old ones who made him his money & he didnt lose his four properties he rented out as well as his own house, and just this week a bodyshop in Plymouth closed owing the company i work for 3000 pounds and had the gall to ring us one week later asking if we would supply him parts as he had reopened again this time in his wifes name. Thats buisness i guess but as for the Derann staff, i think they did superb to be loyal to the end, i personaly couldnt be that forgiving, the Bosses will all be fine. Remember the Rover bosses? After closure in the UK all the Directors kept onto there fortunes. Anyway, i'll be very surprised if any refunds are issued on any subscriptions as the company no longer exists. Very sad to have to say. Although this may read bitter it is a very real truth, Derek Simmons was Derann films and he had the ability to deal with the film companies and do some fantastic deals when VHS and DVD were looking like kicking 8mm off the face of the earth, on the Audio side of things shops of today cannont compete with the prices the same goods cost on the internet so even if the cine buisness was thriving it was only a small piece of the main buisness.
 

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Posted by Keith Ashfield (Member # 741) on November 20, 2011, 12:22 PM:
 
As Rob has so rightly said - more than subscriptions have been lost with the Derann closure. The most important loss of all is the employment of the staff.

I saw Gary at Blackpool and he still is not in employment. Nor is Ged, who has told me that "at 61 years of age,he has a chance of only 4000 to 1 of even being offered an interview for employment".

During those last four weeks the staff worked tirelesly fulfilling orders from their "closing down" list to customers all over the world.

I actually went to the shop, twice, before closure,and each time it was a case of "chat whilst we work - the orders need to go out".

I don't know if I could have been that commited, under the circumstances. Don't forget it was not the Super 8 business that bought about the "closure" but the rising costs of utilities and rates, alongside a very competetive market on the audio visual side, that bought about the end.

I am sure that, given more time, the subscriptions for the FFTC would have been dealt with. I do not think it was a case of "couldn't care less".

By the way, I too had "FFTC issues" owing to me from my subscription, but I have forgone that because of all the good service that Derann has provided over the years.
 

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Posted by Adrian Winchester (Member # 248) on November 20, 2011, 01:23 PM:
 
Some fair points here. I'd be inclined to agree that it was probably the intention to look into this, but pressure of work in the limited time available meant that they never got round to it. It's worth mentioning that the refunds from Blackpool bookings were given a high priority and paid around the time of the initial announcement.
 

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Posted by Graham Sinden (Member # 431) on November 20, 2011, 03:44 PM:
 
I would also like to say that I never received a refund and was a bit peeved off by that, but I never complained to Ged and Gary about that when on the phone several times but I had hoped that they would mention this and it would be automatic.

I re-subscribed sometime in early summer and only received 1 issue, so it means that I have paid £14 for the last issue, but Im not complaining now. It seems that it was out of their control.

On a different note, It's slightly surprising that Ged and Gary ( and steve? ) havent got together and started the film business part time. Im sure Ged knows all the contacts for getting some stuff and placing adverts for second hand films etc. In todays climate Ged will find it very hard to get employment. Just a thought.

Graham S
 

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Posted by Michael O'Regan (Member # 938) on November 20, 2011, 05:16 PM:
 
I think they could probably continue with film sales through ebay as many other dealers do.
 

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Posted by Steve Klare (Member # 12) on November 20, 2011, 08:25 PM:
 
They certainly have the experience and the reputation.
 

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