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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
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posted April 25, 2012 01:02 PM
Yes, but remember that the other LOTR films were oscar winners, and not just for special effects, as great as they were.
The most distressing thing about the ten minute "preview" shown, was that some of the beards and other touches, which would have looked just fine on 70 or 35MM, looked fake in this preview, and that has always been a great fault I have had with digital.
Film grain is quite often a film-makers friend, in that it actually adds to the details or at the least, distract from potential flaws in special effects, ect. With digital, that is taken away.
... but another problem with this 48 fps presentation, is that, you get above 24 fps ... well, you feel like your watching a video presentation, like a music video, and that takes away from the experience for me. Those is favor of this 48 fps presentation say, "well it will feel more immersive", but I agree with the reviewer, in that he felt immediately taken out and distanced from the presentation.
I hope that there will be a lot of back-lash against this 48 fps presentation, and that they will choose to also release a 35MM version to theaters as well. They will have to, here and there anyhow, as not all theaters are complete digital and some of the older ones haven't went difital, period.
However, with Peter Jackson at the helm, it's sure to be a great rendering (at least, story-wise) of the Hobbit tale.
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Bryan Chernick
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Bothell, WA, USA
Registered: Mar 2010
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posted April 26, 2012 12:21 PM
One thing that jumped out at me watching the trailer is the waterfall that appears at about 1:28. It looks fake, like a small scale model, which it probably is. It seems to me film grain would help this movie where digital video is hurting it. I agree with Osi's comment:
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Film grain is quite often a film-makers friend, in that it actually adds to the details or at the least, distract from potential flaws in special effects, ect. With digital, that is taken away.
When the special effects, costumes, makeup and such look fake in a modern movie it distracts me from enjoying the film.
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Joerg Polzfusz
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Berlin, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar System
Registered: Apr 2006
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posted April 27, 2012 03:28 AM
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you get above 24 fps ... well, you feel like your watching a video presentation
When watching real film at higher speeds (e.g. Imax @ 48fps or Todd-AO @ 30fps), the watching experience only gets better. Hence IMHO the "cheap video-look" isn't caused by the 48fps, but simply by using "cheap" video-cameras. And due to 3D, they can't use the usual "film grain"-fx in post.
(However the 48fps might have resulted in a higher compression of the videos and hence might have emphasised the video-look... . So the author of the article might be correct when thinking that the effect was caused by the 48fps.)
What I really wonder is: Why did Peter choose to shoot in 3D? After all the book "The Hobbit" isn't a stupid 3D-computer-action-game, but an epic fantasy novel! But with 3D I fear that whole story gets reduced to brainless action-sequences (without any plot)...
Jörg
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Larry Arpin
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Sunland, CA, USA
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posted November 11, 2012 05:13 PM
There are now going to be 3 parts to The Hobbit. Milk it for all that it's worth. I loved Lord of the Rings and can watch those over and over again. I don't even like the costumes and the way the Hobbits look to the Hobbit let alone the way it was shot. I'll wait for the DVD/Blu-ray maybe just to rent.
I did see Flight which was shot on the same type of camera Red Deluxe or something, today's model tomorrow's junk, and it looked pretty good, but it was mostly a drama and the crash exterior was shown only as a video somebody's cell phone footage. No real action. One thing that really, really bothers me about digital shoots is the action scenes that have a weird look to them.
When I was working there was a scene, shot on the Red One camera, or some other digital camera that was shot at a high frame rate for a slow motion effect, I believe 48 fps. They decided not to use the slow motion effect and they skipped framed the scene to bring it back to normal and it looked awful. I took the shot and sent it through a program that blurs fast motion and it looked much better. They may be what they will do to The Hobbit for the normal projection version. If not, it will look just dreadful.
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Rob Young.
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From: Cheshire, U.K.
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted November 19, 2012 08:54 AM
Brad, not sure I get this.
If we are re-inventing the wheel, which is what digital cinema is doing, why is 24 fps so magical?
Surely in the past valiant attempts to raise film rate to 30 fps was only headed off by economic factors?
Now, I've never seen the 48 fps demos, so I accept, based on views here, that they look awful; but why do they? Surely, all we want is an increase in quality and a format that a DP can work with and control aesthetics.
So why is digital failing so badly with this when it can potentially be so creative?
[ November 20, 2012, 03:27 AM: Message edited by: Rob Young. ]
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I had enough trouble sitting through a test screening of The Lord Of the Rings "The Two Towers" I sat along with one of the girls that I once worked with at our own special screening before that one was released that midnight. I had to keep asking her, does this make sense ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
...to her it did, so I guess I must have put the reels in the right order. Anyway I dont do that for a living any more....but somehow I keep thinking of a bunch of "Ewoks" running around when somebody talks of The Hobbit. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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