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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
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posted July 25, 2013 02:28 PM
i know that I'm surrounded by the Star Wars afficionados, but perhaps someone can tell me why they changed the end of this
film, regarding the actor playing Darth, was changed into I presume, the young actor taking over for the "prequels" in the
ghost sequence. It had been many years since I viewed it, so it
came as a shock on the recent TV screening, dated 1997, while
the movie was made in '83
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Osi Osgood
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posted July 25, 2013 03:27 PM
Hugh, I always thought that was odd in the special editions, as, you don't see a young Obiwan Kenobi in the special edition, no, its Alec Guiness, old Obiwan.
So, putting the young Anikan skywalker instead of the old Anikan/Vader, I always thought it was a mistake.
By the way, for those looking for "Return of the Jedi", Derann made some lovely prints of this title, but beware, as there are saome excessively blur prints of this title, (and I "aint" talking the language!)
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Ernie Zahn
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From: Greenwich, CT, USA
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posted July 25, 2013 03:30 PM
Yeah I was totally down to message you about buying it!
To answer your question: it was not "they" who replaced Anakin at the end. It was specifically George Lucas. The special edition has been changed multiple times since the initial updates in 1997. The final changes on the BluRay were made with the intention to better tightly tie the prequels with the original trilogy.
Lucas doesn't consider the theatrical versions of the original trilogy as canon or as the official versions. He looks at them as "rough cuts"
Here's a quote from him:
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There will only be one [version of the films]. And it won't be what I would call the "rough cut", it'll be the "final cut". The other one will be some sort of interesting artifact that people will look at and say, "There was an earlier draft of this." The same thing happens with plays and earlier drafts of books. In essence, films never get finished, they get abandoned. At some point, you're dragged off the picture kicking and screaming while somebody says, "Okay, it's done." That isn't really the way it should work. Occasionally, [you can] go back and get your cut of the video out there, which I did on both American Graffiti and THX 1138; that's the place where it will live forever. So what ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that's what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you'll be able to project it on a 20-foot-by-40-foot screen with perfect quality. I think it's the director's prerogative, not the studio's, to go back and reinvent a movie.
Since there will never be a BluRay release of the theatrical versions, that makes the Super 8 prints all the more valuable.
And OSI to answer your question. You;re right they didn't change Obi Wan at the end but there's a difference. There's an entire generation that recognizes the face of Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader) as Hayden Christiansen from the prequels. Where as Alex Guinness and Ewan McGregor are both recognizable as Obi Wan.
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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
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posted July 25, 2013 04:07 PM
Thanks amigos, I was at a loss at first. I think that Directors that
always have to return to a work and modernise, as a pain. In my
trade, folks would soon get tired of men chiseling, re plastering
the same building as the mood took them.It was a nice film first time round, and as Osi points out, the age difference is off in the
film that we have now.
PS, Sorry, Akshay is right, wrong section,My mistake.
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Thomas Murin, Jr.
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From: Lanoka Harbor, NJ, USA
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posted July 25, 2013 04:49 PM
It's simple: when Anakin helped Palpatine kill Mace Windu, he "died". He is then re-born as Darth Vader.
Obi-Wan himself says so in Jedi: "...when that happened, the good man that was your father was destroyed."
When Darth Vader killed Palpatine, he also killed himself therefore allowing Anakin to "return" (thus the title).
Hence, Anakin's "Force ghost" represents what he looked like at the moment of his (spiritual) death.
Obi-Wan and Yoda were old, physically and spiritually, when they died so their ghosts reflect that.
The original actor, Sebastian Shaw is still in the movie for Anakin's physical death scene.
Finally, there are rumors that Disney will release the original versions, fully restored, on Blu-Ray for the 40th anniversary in 2017.
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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
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posted July 25, 2013 05:16 PM
Well that little bit obviously slipped by George first time round,and
he thought it up!.Honestly, I do like the Star Wars Films, as the Indiana
Jones films, but like Osi, the first time round,is the film you remember, although, just to throw further spanners in the works, as one member remembers, was there yet another version that had the fabled "second throw" by Luke in swinging over the chasm, I reckon there was.It's a bit like the Venus de Milo, the man
has made this work of art, wheels it through a door opening too
narrow and breaks off the arms,says "to hell with it" and enters
it in a competition and wins,they aren't going to thank him for re glueing her arms back on.You can't go back.
Plus, here we are making excuses for a franchise that more or less, if comments on here are to be believed, is that "okay, you
older guys (and gals ) have seen the film, but you don't matter now, we've had your money, it's the younger folks we target"
Somehow, I don't think Lucas had thought this far in front, the
money men had moved in..
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