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Topic: The Death of Consumer Cameras
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Steve Klare
Film Guy
Posts: 7016
From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted September 12, 2016 01:52 PM
Something I'm sure a lot of you have noticed is how unusual it is for people to use actual cameras lately. I'm not even talking about ones with film in them: this applies to digital still cameras and camcorders too.
This gent has noticed too, and he has numbers to back it up:
The Death of Consumer Cameras
I'm sure many of you have heard here: We have this kid living in the house! (It's OK...we wanted him to!) Among a lot of other stuff, it means we get to go to a lot of parenty-things. There are concerts, and graduations, first days of school and other general kid-growing-up kinds of things. Back in MY dayyyy (I almost hate myself for using this expression!), the Moms and Dads had Kodaks with flash-cubes mounted, and the really cool parents hoisted movie cameras. By the time we became parents, the faithful still showed up with 35mm SLRs, but most others had digital still cameras and camcorders.
-lately you notice most of 'em are hoisting their little plastic rectangle and if something goes sour at work, they are going to have to stop taking pictures so they can shout into it. ("It's NOT my FAULT!")
I love a camera: I love standing there cradling the lens in my left hand and the body in my right. I love looking through the viewfinder and changing the whole meaning of the image using focus. It's a cool thing: basically a paintbrush for the rest of us that couldn't learn to draw or paint very well.
I don't particularly like using something that fits in my hand like a Pop-Tart and whose "shutter release button" is only a symbol on a screen, but when you're talking about a camera that's always with you, that you basically got as a free prize when you bought your cell phone, that can snap a picture like this from about 300 feet away:
-it's kind of hard to fight that!
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Tom Spielman
Master Film Handler
Posts: 339
From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2016
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posted September 12, 2016 03:47 PM
I've noticed and for the most part I'm also happy to not have to deal with another device that needs batteries or has to be charged, or that you have to carry. I got this photo from my phone last night:
Now, it wasn't easy lining up my phone over the eyepiece of the telescope to get that and I do have a real camera mount coming, but still...
Having said that I've found myself suddenly in possession of not one but 3 SLRs - film cameras. In addition we do have one decent DSLR plus a couple of Super 8 cameras. It doesn't stop there. We have a nice point and shoot that can be submerged up to 30 meters, and a GoPro knockoff.
Since Steve mentioned kids, try getting a good picture of your kid during his high school football game 30 yards away, at night under less than perfect lights, - with a phone. Aside from being skilled, lucky, or both, sometimes the key to getting good photographs in tricky situations is having good lenses. I'm amazed a what can be done with a little lens on a phone but they have their limitations.
I think it's a very good time to be into photography or video. You can do a lot with what you happen to be carrying around (a phone). My teens have a great time making goofy videos with their phones. But there's a lot of other great options too. And if you're into film, you can get old SLRs and great lenses for a song.
Anyway, I take the vast majority of my pictures or video using my phone, but if I'm going to a special event, especially when I know getting a good image with my phone will be hard, I have lots of real camera options.
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Tom Spielman
Master Film Handler
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From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2016
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posted September 12, 2016 04:18 PM
For sure Steve, my parents would have been thrilled with that cell phone shot, not only for the quality, but for the novelty of capturing one of their sons cooking something. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
The other nice thing about now vs then is that there are precious few pictures of my father because he was the one perpetually behind the camera. Today, lots of people have a camera at any particular gathering so there would be pictures of him too.
For Mother's day, I never have to think about what to get my wife because I've been putting hard bound picture books together every year since my son was born. For the last few years, lots of the pictures are ones that the kids have taken. The books are easy to make in this digital world, but no less precious.
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Evan Samaras
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Queens, NY, USA
Registered: Oct 2015
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posted September 12, 2016 06:01 PM
Tom, I think you bring up another point. Many of the digital pictures remain just as that, digital content. I bet most rarely seen after taken. However, an album of pictures, something you can grab and flip through is priceless. Whenever I visited my grandparents I loved to grab the album and look through. I don't find anyone saying, let me open this file on my computer. It's just not out and available to spark interest.
I grew up in a time where film and digital were begining to meet. I used plenty of disposables as a teenager- but never had the chance to learn to shoot a camera. My interest in cameras didn't arrive until my 20's, and it came in the form of a digital camera. I must admit, digital cameras are an excellent way to learn about cameras. However, since I started shooting film, I only go back to digital for some family events where people want quick pictures (sometimes I'll just ditch the digital and make them wait for my enlargements anyways! Sometimes they get some scans instead haha)
There's not a day where I will bring out my Rolleiflex and not get flagged down by someone for a conversation, young or old
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Paul Adsett
Film God
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From: USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted September 12, 2016 07:16 PM
When I first started using 8mm film in the 1950's if you wanted to get great pictures you had to know all about film speeds, apertures, focal length, depth of field, parallax, and light meters. All that now appears to be an unnecessary education, in fact do professional digital cameramen even have to know that stuff anymore?
Digital photography has now evolved to the point that most pictures are taken for instant gratification, to be viewed a few times only, never to be printed out, and finally buried within a maze of digital files where no future generation is going to be able to find them.
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Rob Young.
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1633
From: Cheshire, U.K.
Registered: Dec 2003
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posted September 13, 2016 03:00 AM
Paul, to answer your question;
"When I first started using 8mm film in the 1950's if you wanted to get great pictures you had to know all about film speeds, apertures, focal length, depth of field, parallax, and light meters. All that now appears to be an unnecessary education, in fact do professional digital cameramen even have to know that stuff anymore?"
Oh boy, YES!
Almost everything you can learn with photo-chemical photography relates to using decent digital capture; if you want decent, controllable results.
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Dan Peterson
Junior
Posts: 11
From: Maple Grove, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 13, 2016 11:40 AM
I have a BFA in photography. Spent many hours in the darkroom, which I hated. Jettisoned most all analog gear with the coming of the digital revolution. And then proceeded to take way too many pictures which resulted in a huge archive of digital files.
Over the last ten years, I have catalogued them (using the excellent Imatch software, by photools.com, btw) and have printed all the best ones; snapshots, more serious stuff, etc.
I find that I really love the printing aspect of digital photography, both from native digital files and scanned negatives (as opposed to the dungeon of the wet darkroom; to each his own.) I have all the snapshots in albums for occasional viewing, and people do pull them out and look at them.
That said, my love for analog photography and movie making has been rekindled. I've obtained a few very nice vintage cameras (mosty Olympus) and Super 8 cameras and projectors.
I take far fewer pictures now digitally, and try to "focus" on using the old film cameras, still and moving. This slows me down in a really good way and I love the mechanical tactile "feel" of film.
But, film=money, so that is also a governor.
I've settled into a nice hybrid co-existence with digital and analog media. Also just started building a telecine machine, as I love the software side of things, too. (Gonna take a long time, as I have a lot to learn...)
I've told myself it doesn't have to be one or the other!
I have definitely found a hobby that suits me. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Tom Spielman
Master Film Handler
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From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: Apr 2016
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posted September 13, 2016 11:55 AM
I agree Dan that it doesn't have to be one or the other and I have a new found appreciation for film. Further, I really enjoy taking pictures with real cameras that have nice, interchangeable lenses.
Back to Steve's point though, If I were forced to choose, I'm not sure I'd trade the puny camera on my phone for the most expensive film or digital camera you could buy. As they say, the best camera is the one you have with you.
The camera I remember my parents using was a polaroid land camera. It wasn't quite instant. I vaguely remember my father pulling the film/print out of the camera after taking a picture, looking at his watch for awhile, and then peeling it apart to reveal the image. My mother was decidedly non-technical. My father died when I was 7 and after that no home movies were taken that I can remember and barely any stills. The cameras sat in the closet. Today even (younger) people that don't consider themselves techies can manage a mobile phone camera.
While 35mm film cameras have disappeared almost completely, you can still buy instant film cameras at places like Target and Walmart. I think that is very telling. Consumers have always wanted low price and convenience. If you want quick and easy prints, a small instant camera still has a place in this digital world.
[ September 13, 2016, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: Tom Spielman ]
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