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Melvin England
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 707
From: Hull, East Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Feb 2016
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posted January 12, 2018 04:26 PM
David - For most bands, I would agree that the sound from an Lp is superior to a single, but not in the case of the Beatles. The mono sound just seems to ooze with energy and excitement and, in the case of "Help!", is a completely different Lennon vocal to the Lp version anyway.
Robert - Interesting you mentioned "Pye" as they,together with Decca, were a sub-contractor to press Parlophone singles.So were the "Pye" pressings ultimately the best,I wonder? Food for thought.
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David Fouracre
Expert Film Handler
Posts: 123
From: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted January 13, 2018 08:28 AM
I recall years ago on a visit to a London recording studio, finding an interesting single-sided LP test disc in a disc cutting
studio. The disc contained 8 or 10 tracks of Trini Lopez (If I had a Hammer). The engineer told me "that from a tape master, he would re-equalise the tracks to get the best result when played on the typical record players of the time". The artist or manager would determine which version would go on to be pressed.
I was facinated to learn that a monitoring tape head at the master tape would check levels a little ahead of the music content and this signal was fed to the disc cutter to "open up the distance between adjacent grooves at the disc cutting master to prevent interference between adjacent grooving.
I think that this groove spacing, determined the typical maximum modulation on a typical single. Thus E Ps were perceived as lower level compared with singles of the day, due to finer groove spacing.
Following the original recording, the artist or others, would use a separate studio to listen and re-equalise/ balance their efforts. My experience dates back to the 1970s and present standards have much improved. In those days, they could only do disc cutting during the night, as the London Underground passed beneath that studio, causing rumble to be detected on a disc master!
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Graham Ritchie
Film God
Posts: 4001
From: New Zealand
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted January 13, 2018 03:33 PM
There is a second hand shop here that sell, thousands of records, about once a week I call in and have a look through some of them...I would be there forever otherwise ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Last year I picked up the "The Beatles" red double album in mint condition, what surprised me that both LPs were Parlophone, where as, when I bought the Blue double album new back in the 70s, the LPs were Apple...why the difference?
I have to admit I enjoy listing to records much more that CDs these days. I find that I can hear the sounds much clearer. My hearing is not what it used to be, thats for sure, but its a real treat to once again hear recording as I remember them long ago.
I have been using IPA "Isopropyl Alcohol" to clean them...what do you use?
Anyway great topic..Oh who can remember George Harrison "My Sweet Lord"?..from 1970. It was a huge hit back then and played on the radio all the time..I took this photo last night, what a fantastic recording, plus "Isn't It A Pity" on the other side ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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David Hardy
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 955
From: Johnshaven Village , Montrose, Scotland
Registered: Jan 2015
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posted January 13, 2018 04:08 PM
Right here goes.
Besides being a film collector and also into model railways I am also a record collector and into Hi-Fi equipment.
I never gave up on collecting records be they L.P.s , Singles or 78s.
I still have thousands of them. I have mix of Classical , Opera , Instrumental , Easy Listening , Jazz , Pop , Rock , Blues and Film Soundtracks and Scores.
I do have CDs and Reel to Reel Tapes and Music Cassettes but not so much as vinyl records.
I play them back on high quality hi fi equipment.
I have a choice of transcription turntables, arms and cartridges to do so.
Among my turntables are LINN SONDEK LP 12 with a LINN AKITO tone arm.
A GARRARD 401 with an SME 3009 tone arm.
A MICHELL HYDRAULIC REFERENCE... the one featured in Clockwork Orange ... with an SME 3009 ( Improved ) tone arm.
A GOLDRING GL 75 with an LINN AKITO tone arm... I use this for 78s.
A range of pick up cartridges from Shure V 15 MK III s to ORTOFON GOLD Moving Coil.
For the sake of "authenticity" I tend to playback my LPs via my Quad Valve 22... Tube... Control Unit and dual MONO Quad 11 amplifiers if they were recorded on valve equipment originally.
I have all the original Beatles pressings MONO Lps ... not the later re-issues on 180gm vinyl... and they still sound excellent as do my Classical and Opera records.
This year I shall be investing in a Professional Record Cleaning Machine to keep them all in pristine condition and remove years of gunk from the grooves even though I keep them very clean before playing them.
NUTZZ AINT I !
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