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Osi Osgood
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posted August 01, 2005 11:37 AM

Thanks Kev. Do you happen to know when it came out? Come t think of it, I have a print of "Battlestar Galactica" (absolutely stunning color!) on kodak SP, and that came out in 1979, (but it could be a later print, I had a first print of B.G. on Eastman that did not fair as well). Perhaps they only moved the optical sound features to Kodak SP when all available eastman stock was used?

What the (****)?! Have you been able to talk to the fellow who sold you a butchered CE3K print? Maybe he has the deleted footage lying around? The strange fact is that when he took that other footage out, it still didn't make forthe riginal feature from 1977, as there was footage taken out in favor of the special edition footage, thereby making for a shortened feature. Magnificent that you have a copy, but dang it, what a bummer!!

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Adrian Winchester
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posted August 01, 2005 01:40 PM

I wondered how some of the other post-1982 optical prints are holding up? Can anyone comment on (e.g.) 'Sudden Impact', 'City Heat' or 'Pale Rider'? I have a copy of 'Nadia' (1984) which is very brownish so it would not surprise me if some old stock was being used up post-1982. I expect they knew for a while that the days were numbered for these prints.

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 01, 2005 03:33 PM

Most certianly, which is why they tended to use the lowest grade stock available. I've ran into very few post 1984 optical films that are bad in color, and if there is some fade, it is the, as you say, slightly brownish variety.

Most of the titles you mentioned, (Pale Rider, for instance, of which I'd love to find a copy of), are from the later years, and I have NO titles past 84 that have bead color. It is possible, if the owner "abused" thier prints.

But then, alas, most of us, myself included, didn't know the fade potentials on our films in the 80's. I do now, and take appropriate precautions.

All the best!!

P.S. Just got my Yashica Optical super 8 projector. Most satisfied, it has good low end and the optical sound is louder than on my old Copal projector.

Ah, it's like a new addition to the family!

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted August 01, 2005 04:22 PM

Osi, You missunderstood what I said.....CE3K is complete. What I was trying to say was that I think the last owner took out the extra scenes and then replaced them before selling it on. Luckily there are no frames lost at all and the splices are sound. I got the print at a good price so am not complaining [Smile]

I was trying to find out the date that SP stock came out but havent done so yet. Interesting that on the eFilmCentre site they make mention to Airline prints on estar base and SP saying that it is holding out very well. Presumably they are comparring that to the SP on acetate base. [Frown]

Kev.

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 02, 2005 11:14 AM

Good to hear CE3K is complete, (and I'm still very envious). I can certianly say this, once I build that optical sound super 8 feature site on the internet, I'm ging to have lots of good info to work with. Now, I wuldn't be suprised if all kinds of stock was used. I'm betting it came down to watever was available and at the best price.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted August 02, 2005 05:10 PM

Your probably right with that but it was an art coating onto thin base polyester film base. Kodak and Fuji seemed to be the only ones which I remember having such animals.

Kev.

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Jan Bister
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posted August 02, 2005 07:33 PM

"Art coating?" Are you suggesting that putting these prints down on polyester-base film was an art, Kevin? [Wink]

(I'm sure it was, actually, but I do have a feeling you mean something else...)

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 04, 2005 11:02 AM

I had always wondered why it seemed like I had more minutes of film per 600ft. reel when i had an optical print on it. I didn't realize the print was actually thinner, but that does make sense that an optic soundtrack is printed on nstead of a magnectic track being placed on the film! All this wonderful info on optical prints is much fun!

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