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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted August 28, 2005 02:49 PM

This is probably a too naive question. But as a collector, no one loves a faded print like this:

But with today's technologies this image can be corrected. I am dreaming that a projector one day can also correct the same case. What do you think?

I am just dreaming that there is a bulb connected to a high technology machine so can ray different type of light. Therefore it is corrrecting the red prints.

Abracadabra.....all my red prints are now enjoyable! [Razz]

cheers,

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Steven Sigel
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posted August 28, 2005 03:47 PM

The short answer is no -- you can't put back color that isn't there...

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Jan Bister
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posted August 28, 2005 04:05 PM

Agreed - and there is a world of difference between just using a bluish/greenish source of light vs. actual digital restoration. (I can sort of tell that the above result was achieved by filtering out the deep yellowish tint, then increasing the contrast and color saturation on what remained.)

You can put a tinted filter in front of your projection lens, and it may improve things depending on the amount of fade in your print, but it will never look the same.

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 28, 2005 07:57 PM

It really is too bad. I have a print of Gorky Park (1983) AND BECAUSE OF BAD PROCESSING OR SOMETHING, THE FILM ALREADY HAS A PINKISHNESS!!! FRAK!!

As Jan said, if the fade isn't too bad, then different filters can help, but never return faded color. Alas

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Jan Bister
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posted August 28, 2005 08:08 PM

Winbert, where did this picture of an 8mm film come from anyway? I just now noticed the frame is exposed all the way over the sprocket holes. That's unusual. [Smile]

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John Whittle
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posted August 28, 2005 09:18 PM

I've seen a number of old Regular 8 cameras that exposed all the way to edge of the film.

There was a guy that obtained a patent for a treatment to bring back the color in faded prints. Since the patent was granted over five years ago and we've heard nothing of it yet (although you can find it in the US Patent Office) it doesn't appear to have made much of a "hit". Various techniques have been used to rescue faded film, they're all costly and require a great deal of work which means it's hardly practical for the home user. The first stage is the slow turning of the cyan dye in the film to clear resulting in a reddish image and loss of total density. Other dyes follow in time. A 1983 print is now 22 years old and if made on regular rather than the low fade stock it's not surprising it turning. Storage also plays a part in fading and since most of us haven't hard our prints from day one, we have no idea what they may have been subjected to.

I have an old NTA Eastman color print of a George Pal cartoon that is so faded that there is only a light yellow image left! (Probably printed by Perfect Pathe in Hollywood in the 60s).

John

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Jan Bister
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posted August 28, 2005 09:32 PM

Gawd... it makes me wish Eastman had never ever happened. [Mad]

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Osi Osgood
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From: Mountian Home, ID.
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posted August 29, 2005 10:38 AM

I aqree Jan, Eastman has been a blight for the film collector, but then, the collector can be as responsible, but honestly, I don't think any of us has the education about the properties of film, (for the most part) twenty years ago. I bought that "Gorky Park" print from Dave Thomas Films, and I know him to be a collector to, but I'd be willing to bet that he didn't store the films in a cool dry place. He's noted that many of his optical sound super 8 prints are showing a slight or more fade now. That is why I refridgerate in a safe moisture free bag, so that, ten or twenty years from now, I may be the only person with good optical sound super 8's left in the world!

THEY'RE MINE ..... ALL MINE!!! BOO HOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

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