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Chip Gelmini
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Brooksville, FL
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posted November 15, 2005 07:29 PM

This subject continues from being mentioned on Jan's post (My ST1600HD)

For those of you who don't run with two machines, why not try this the next time you run a show...

(I assume by writing this when a reel ends you rewind it immediately taking a short break, then thread the next reel due to run)

1. You've run the first reel and it ends.

2. Remove the full take up reel.

3. Remove empty front reel and place on the take up arm.

4. Thread and run the next reel immeidately.

5. Continue these steps until the show is done.

6. When show is over, reverse this order, rewinding all reels shown.

I remember doing this in high school with 16mm. We always did changeovers when 2 machines were available. But when they weren't, this is how we did it.

Anyway, it's just a thought.

CG

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Jan Bister
Darth 8mm

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posted November 15, 2005 07:35 PM

Why didn't I think of that when I was watching my 2x1200' print of Intolerance [Eek!]

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Kurt Gardner
Expert Film Handler

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From: San Antonio, TX
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posted November 15, 2005 10:50 PM

Is this meant to be advice for those who dare to rewind each reel before they begin the next? Actually, I've done both. If I have a party going with good conversation, it's fun to talk between reels and make busy work by rewinding. Sometimes it takes twenty to thirty minutes to load the next one. That's part of the fun!

Other times, if the film has a particularly driving narrative and the audience can't wait, then we'll just keep going.

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Jan Bister
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posted November 16, 2005 11:26 PM

Thanks Kurt, now I know why I didn't think of using each empty supply reel as the next take-up... because I do the same thing, rewind while people are talking. [Smile]

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Tony Milman
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posted November 17, 2005 12:09 AM

I never even gave a thought to rewindig one reel before showing the next. The only time I got into trouble was with a 16mm film when one of the spools was bigger than the other

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Brad Kimball
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posted November 17, 2005 12:26 AM

What if you used the spindle adapters from a Neumade rewinder set on a 16mm projector... Mounted a 1200' Super 8 reel on the non-geared end and used the 16mm projector as the take-up. I know it sounds nuts, but I think I'm onto something. Extend-A-Reel setups are no longer being manufactured and I'm no electronics wiz, but I can't help but feel that somewhere here there's a workable idea.

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Steven Sigel
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Massachusetts
Registered: Jun 2003

posted November 17, 2005 12:50 PM

I never ever ever rewind prints on a projector. You end up with a loose wind which can cause print warping.

You should also always try to use a take-up reel that is the next size up from the film you are running (e.g. 1200ft take up for an 800ft film) -- of course this is not always possible - especially when your film is on the largest possible reel size.. But when it is possible, it gives you added protection from warped prints not taking up properly and spooling all over the floor.

I use Neumade power rewinds to rewind film, but hand crank rewinds are fine. For super 8, I have a set of spindle adpaters (BTW - If anyone wants to buy them, let me know, I don't need them anymore). The only issue that I've had with super 8 is that the reels aren't that study and the torque on the rewind is sometimes too much for them...

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Jan Bister
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posted November 18, 2005 12:38 AM

I bought an Eiki SSL-0 projector from eBay for exactly that purpose... as a motorized rewind... and around the same time I ended up with a pair of very unusual 1600ft. plastic reels which are 8mm wide but have 16mm (square-peg) spindle holes. I am now certain that these reels were meant for use with the Extend-A-Reel unit for 8mm/super-8 projectors (and one such beast actually sold on eBay just a couple weeks ago, but without the reels!).
But Steven is right... the rewind torque on my Eiki is too much for those (relatively) fragile super-8 films. [Eek!]

That aside, the damn thing turned out to be in such good condition I actually got into 16mm film collecting "on the side," on top of my super-8 hobby. Argh. [Wink]

And then, of course, Chip Gelmini let me have some of his dead/for-parts Elmo projectors so I was able to adapt the reel arms on my Elmo ST-1200HD for super-8 1600ft. reels. I just need super-8 rewinds now... (have a pair, but with spindles missing)...

Steven, I'd be interested in those spindle adapters actually. Are they the Neumade brand? How much are you asking for them? I might pick up a pair of cheap 16mm rewinds to go with these...

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