8mm Forum

my profile | my password | search | faq | register | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» 8mm Forum   » 8mm Forum   » Super 8 Manual Threading

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Super 8 Manual Threading
Thomas Dafnides
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 247
From: St. Louis, Missouri USA
Registered: Dec 2009

 - posted February 09, 2010 11:53 PM      Profile for Thomas Dafnides     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Was there any quality built Super 8 projector with manual threading...or any unit that can be easily stripped to offer manual threading?

 |  IP: Logged

Patrick Walsh
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 723
From: Christchurch, New Zealand
Registered: Jul 2006

 - posted February 10, 2010 12:05 AM      Profile for Patrick Walsh   Email Patrick Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I know many STD 8 machines that are manual threaders, but I have never seen a SUPER 8 one before, I presume that there may be one out there?

"Raise The Titanic!", It would of been cheaper to lower the Atlantic!

 |  IP: Logged

David Erskine
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 230
From: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Registered: Aug 2008

 - posted February 10, 2010 04:08 AM      Profile for David Erskine   Email David Erskine   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Fumeo '9' series: Beaulieu 780 series!! Big buggers, though!!

I've NEVER let failure go to MY head!

 |  IP: Logged

Joerg Polzfusz
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 815
From: Berlin, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar System
Registered: Apr 2006

 - posted February 10, 2010 04:09 AM      Profile for Joerg Polzfusz   Author's Homepage   Email Joerg Polzfusz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 

the RUSS has manual threading:

It looks like the Gakken 8mm Projector also has got manual threading:

[Big Grin]


P.S.: If I don't mix up things, you can also use manual threading on a Beaulieu 708EL and some/all of the Fumeos...

 |  IP: Logged

Winbert Hutahaean
Film God

Posts: 5468
From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
Registered: Jun 2003

 - posted February 10, 2010 05:53 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's been years I am working with super 8mm projectors, but I don't know what is manual threading. Could you please explain a bit the different between automatic and manual threading? and the cost vs benefit?



 |  IP: Logged

Claus Harding
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1149
From: Washington DC
Registered: Oct 2006

 - posted February 10, 2010 08:36 AM      Profile for Claus Harding   Email Claus Harding   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 

Manual threading vs. automatic is one of those old issues that people love to debate [Smile]

Manual means, you fit the film into the film path with your hands; you create the loops and lock the guides in place manually. No "feeding in the front door" and letting it come out at the take-up spool. Many Standard-8 and 16mm, and all 35mm cinema projectors are manual (unless I am missing some odd model.)

Automatic threading has had a bad reputation over the years due to poor designs from home projector makers and due to people not paying attention when trimming the ends and/or feeding damaged film into the machine.
You get the classic "terrible noise" as the film is being mangled halfway through the path (we've all heard it at some point [Wink] )

16mm projectors come in manual or automatic models, but a nice variation is "slot loading" which Eiki's 16mm machines in particular are well-known for, and which, I find, is a great idea.

The whole film path is open, exposed from the side, and you lay the film into the path and onto the take-up reel. Then, turning the main switch, you lock the film onto the sprockets and you're ready to go.
It also has the advantage that you can stop and safely take out a film halfway through and rewind it if you want to.

So, it's convenience for the home market vs. safety and choice for the more professional machines.

I always felt a slot-loader would have been a great idea for Super-8 as we, more than a commercial set-up, sometimes do stop films and change.

These are the basics off the top of my head. I'm sure someone else can add to this.


"Why are there shots of deserts in a scene that's supposed to take place in Belgium during the winter?" (Review of 'Battle of the Bulge'.)

 |  IP: Logged

Damien Taylor
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 111
From: Perth, Western Australia
Registered: Oct 2008

 - posted February 10, 2010 09:04 AM      Profile for Damien Taylor   Email Damien Taylor   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I find manual threading stops me getting mad at the projector, since it is 100% my fault!

 |  IP: Logged

Joerg Polzfusz
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 815
From: Berlin, Germany, Europe, Earth, Solar System
Registered: Apr 2006

 - posted February 15, 2010 08:18 AM      Profile for Joerg Polzfusz   Author's Homepage   Email Joerg Polzfusz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 

it looks like the "Fujicascope Auto Vision" and the "Fujicavision F10"-projectors only do have "manual threading"...

P.S.: Links:
P.P.S.: It looks like both projectors have been produced by Yamawa (alias Yelco) and hence might be available under other brands and names as well...

 |  IP: Logged

All times are Central  
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:

Visit www.film-tech.com for free equipment manual downloads. Copyright 2003-2019 Film-Tech Cinema Systems LLC

Powered by Infopop Corporation