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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted May 16, 2012 10:18 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean   Email Winbert Hutahaean   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Finally, this is what we want.....Cineator-Five

http://cinevation.net/portfolio/cinevator/the-cinevator%C2%AEfive/

The page says:

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With the Cinevator®five you can take your digital intermediate and go directly to positive print film including both digital and analogue sound and subtitles – in real time. There is no shorter way to film. If you need only one copy or less than say a hundred copies of a feature film, – you do not even need to make a negative intermediate.
WOOOOW.....! and the most important for you Christian B. and Thorn, according to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinevator

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Cinevator is a series of real time film recorder/printers produced by the Norwegian company Cinevation. Cinevation AS is based in Drammen, Norway.
So if you need certain sequence missing from your reel, go to Cinevator to be made by order.

I don't know the cost but you can ask.

To date it can only make on 35mm and 16mm positive prints. But since super 8mm is made from 16mm, the possibility is still there because the Cineavator works with digital file, and computer program can split the original picture into half/half which later we can split into two super 8mm prints.

The other benefit of having the digital file is we can make a bit fade or warm or bluish should our original film is so.

What do you think?

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted May 17, 2012 08:10 AM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
Winbert you have outdone yourself on that,it seems like the answer to our prayers,well done on putting the article up.I'll
start my list of wants now and calculate how many body parts I can spare.

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Christian Bjorgen
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 - posted May 17, 2012 09:29 AM      Profile for Christian Bjorgen   Author's Homepage   Email Christian Bjorgen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Helllooooo, mr Pussycat! Looks like I'm heading to Drammen ;-)

I will mail them tomorrow to get more details and prices. Today is the national day over here, so noone is working [Wink]

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Thor Andre Karlsen
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 - posted May 17, 2012 12:33 PM      Profile for Thor Andre Karlsen   Email Thor Andre Karlsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think it is marvellous!

But I'm wondering if this service is available to privates, and not just companies...

Christian post your response here! [Smile]

Is there a point in printing a film from digital, and not just use a digital projector?

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted May 17, 2012 12:51 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage   Email Osi Osgood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This is incredibly good news! I am able to diitally film with high definition, (which looks nearly like a good 35MM print, it really looks great!) and with this, I wouldn't have the negative process! Talk about an incredible money saver!

The only problem is, how long will the film be available to make this worthwhile?

Also, why would you only be able to print down to 16MM and not super 8?

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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 - posted May 17, 2012 02:38 PM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
An animated logo I had created was transfered to 35mm about a year ago. The cost for each print of the 10 seconds clip with SR sound was $ 210.00. This was a frame by frame process. If this company does it in real time, this could possibly cost much more.

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Adrian Winchester
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Interesting information but I've searched the company site for any mention of a version that can handle 16mm and I couldn't find anything, so I'd be grateful if anyone could point to this.

I wouldn't be very optimistic about a version being developed that could handle Super 8. They must be very expensive machines fof people printing in considerable quantities and I'd be impressed if even the German lab would be tempted to buy one - but who else in the world would?

Some might conclude that the company have 'missed the boat' producing these when 35mm is in serious decline, but I expect they feel that part of the product's future lies in relation to archiving, appealing to people who may only want one or two 35mm prints.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted May 17, 2012 03:42 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean   Email Winbert Hutahaean   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
But I'm wondering if this service is available to privates, and not just companies...
Thor,.... it is exactly the Cineavator meant to be. An individual can print 35mm without need inter-negative which will cost so much.

In cinematography forum a company in Egypt offers Euro 4000 for a 35mm full feature.

web]http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=44488

Supposed to be one full feature is 120 minutes and a digest is 15 minutes....so the mathematics say 120:15 = 8 copies. And since we are talking 8mm where from 35mm we can make 4 copies, so roughly 8 * 4 = 32 copies.

Therefore Euro 4000 : 32 = Euro 125 (eqv $150).

That is the correct price for a digest considering the price in 1978 for a digest is $55.

Only in 1978 we didn't bother to spend that much for a 15 minutes film, but now it is different feeling... [Big Grin]

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If this company does it in real time, this could possibly cost much more.
JM, no, this is the opposite, Read this article:

Film post production expenses cut to 70% with Cinevator

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Some might conclude that the company have 'missed the boat' producing these when 35mm is in serious decline,
Adrian,.. we never knew what is in the mind of inventor. Similar to Laser Turntable, ELP:

http://www.elpj.com/

This is an analog turntable that read the groove through laser beam... [Wink]

So the vinyl never get scratched but you still get the analog sound quality (warmth)

cheers,

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted May 18, 2012 08:30 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean   Email Winbert Hutahaean   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Now I remember this post:

Prometheus (2012) trailer on ebaY

When Oscar asked about the origin of this print, the seller's answer is:

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.... he has asnwered me that it is a kinescope from HD.
So do you think this is related....that this Spanish seller is making his trailer one of a kind through Cineavator.

If so...then releasing super 8mm through Cineavator is not impossible!

Good news?...

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Oscar Iniesta
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 - posted May 18, 2012 12:20 PM      Profile for Oscar Iniesta   Email Oscar Iniesta   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello everyone. The Prometheus print is not from that company. And the ebay seller is a cine fan and professional so you can buy him with confidence.
As recent movies has been released on super 8, and they used that technology in the 35mm prints production, I found this system ideal for new releases, specially computer animated movies.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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The only problem being who have we got to kill to be able to
afford prints,but well done Winbert and Oscar.

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