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Maurizio Di Cintio
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 977
From: Ortona, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted August 01, 2013 05:03 AM
Dominique, I'm sorry to say you're wrong: the technique Magnus wants to use is clearly described in Paul Petzold's Super 8 Manual: you are probably missing the fact that not only must he run the film from end to start during projection, but ALSO he has to flip the sides of the film, hence the base side will have to face the lens, as opposed to normal run. Of course, for this very reason, footage shot like this cannot cut seamlessly with footage shot normally, as a shift in focus will be apparent.
One more possibility, though only for a handful of seconds: the Nikon R10/R8 can actually shoot in reverse, but for about 100 frames only due to cartridge constraints.
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Maurizio
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Dominique De Bast
Film God
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From: Brussels, Belgium
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posted August 01, 2013 05:38 AM
Maurizio, it is exactly why I wrote it wouldn't work, except that I could not explain it in English as well as you did. The shinning side of the filmstock (that has a protection lay) will be reversed so that, unless if you're prepared to have your finger ready on the focus knob each time you project the film, you will have an out of focus scene. This is one of the reasons why French manuals advise not to use this is super 8 (or double 8 or 16 mm with a single perforation). Beside the "out of focus) problem, you may have a less well adherance of sound track and lines after some projections. By the way, this is a forum. I may be wrong, on this subject like on others, so contradiction is not a problem at all. Like on many subjects, the best way is to try and see what happens. If you're happy with the result, that's the point !
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Maurizio Di Cintio
Jedi Master Film Handler
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From: Ortona, Italy
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posted August 01, 2013 06:52 AM
Well, so now it makes sense, Dominique. We may want to re-phrase a little and say it works but with a compromise. Eventually, though, the necessity to rack focus during projection will be vouched if the whole project is to be shown reversed, so this might be of no concern to the original poster. As for soundtrack: true, it cannot be striped: the mag track won't adhere to the emulsion side of the film, the acetone-based glue is inefective on it. But probably paste striping should do. Yet we don't know if Magnus is interested in having sync sound on that, or wild sound from a different source or no sound at all. Therefore, based on the actual information supplied, I think what he wants to do should be considered doable.
One more thing regarding possible scratches: having a film run with the emulsion side facing the lamp shoud not be a problem: all contact prints are like that.
Cheers
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Maurizio
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