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Kevin Hassall
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posted January 27, 2016 01:36 PM

Can anyone advise me on this a Bauer 510 or a Bauer 610 and also are the eumig s940 any good please advise [Smile]

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Jose Artiles
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posted January 27, 2016 01:42 PM

BAUER T610,Its the best option for me.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted January 27, 2016 01:50 PM

The Eumig S940 is the one to avoid Kevin from the trio mentioned.

The reason being, you can no longer repair them if their main chipset fails. It controls the whole machines mechanism and therefore renders it completely useless once it fails.

The other two are great machines but will at times need some sophisticated maintenance like all the higher end models.

My personal favourite is the Bauer T610, but it's important to find a little used one to begin with if it all possible.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted January 27, 2016 03:12 PM

In lieu of the Eumig S940, I suggest consideration could be given for a Eumig S938.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted January 27, 2016 04:19 PM

Not a patch on either of the Bauer machines though in my most humble of experienced opinions of using both the T610 and the S938 for quite a few years now.

Especially prevalent should you ever wish to sync pulse or record from either machine!

Think of the future Kevin in lieu of recent revelations regarding SD cards in the new camera and stereo soundtracks on package movies that were all too often, far less than perfect!

In the Bauer, you have the very best working solution outside of a Braun Visacoustic 2000 and a direct sync pulse unit.

The future's bright,but only with sync pulse facility!

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Kevin Hassall
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posted January 28, 2016 05:27 AM

Thanks guys I knew I could rely on the knowledge you guys have another projector I was looking at was the chinnon ss1200 what are these like ?

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Maurice Leakey
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posted January 28, 2016 10:37 AM

Quite nice, but not in the same class as any above. I have the badged Revue version.
1200ft spools. Stereo. 150watt lamp. Built-in monitor screen, the mirror of which flips out of the way for projection as normal.

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Kevin Hassall
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posted January 28, 2016 10:43 AM

Ive heard they scratch your films buddy

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Paul Adsett
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posted January 28, 2016 11:39 AM

Andrew is right about the microprocessor controlled Eumig S940, but the S938 is a different kettle of fish with all electro-mechanical control of the projector. The 938 is a superb machine, very smooth quiet running, absolutely rock steady projection, and about the best stereo sound you will hear anywhere on super 8mm. The big let down is the lens, which is only average quality. But fitted with an f1.0 lens, the 938 becomes a really superb performing machine with stunning picure and sound quality better than the Elmo GS1200. If you can find one in good condition I would snap it up.

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Kevin Hassall
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posted January 28, 2016 01:23 PM

I have 2 S938 Paul one is up and running the other the claw has gone the picture keeps jumping Kevin Brown said he didn't have the spares

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted January 28, 2016 02:13 PM

Why would you want the 940 Kevin, if you have already a 938 (basically the same machine) without the problems associated with the processor chip?

If I were you Kevin, I'd just keep your second machine with faults just as a spares machine for your good example.

As for the SS1200, I've heard pretty much the same as you and the build quality is suspect.

The S938 does have great sound but then so do the Bauer and Beaulieu machines if you use all of their slaving and external speaker options well.
The main dislike I have of this machine (938) is it really does not maximize the light output from a 150w Xenophot lamp in the way that it could and really should.
Even when using a Schneider Xenovaron fast lens in this machine, it still doesn't come close to matching the light output from say an Elmo ST1200 or a Bauer.

I think most of the Stereo machines produce good sound on the whole when everything is in good working serviceable condition.

The Beaulieu is by far the best machine I've ever used but it has to be set up to optimum position to realize just how good these machines can really be.
They range from emulating anything from a silk purse to a sow's ear depending on how well everything mechanical on them is set up.

It's took me two years of ownership to see this come to fruition now, but now I cannot see how the Stereo models could ever be bettered, they simply can be that good.
The brightest, most powerful amplifier and kindest to film all rounder there is!

What other machine offers you a switchable shutter for example?
From standard...no other!

[ January 28, 2016, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Tom Photiou
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posted January 28, 2016 03:06 PM

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Barry Attwood
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posted January 29, 2016 04:33 AM

Kevin,

Have you tried phoning John White about your faulty Eumig 938, he's a Eumig specialist and has many spares, why not phone or email him, he may be able to help.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted January 29, 2016 04:50 AM

That is great advice there Barry, but let's not forget on these machines the magnetic heads wear relatively quickly when compared to most others.

With that in mind, Kevin would always require a spares machine anyhow, if he were to make this his main machine.

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Tom Photiou
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posted January 29, 2016 06:25 AM

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted January 29, 2016 07:23 AM

Mmmmm

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted January 29, 2016 07:23 AM

Archaic dreadful drive system therefore no sync possibiities, tons of wow from tiny capstan roller, quite noisy and oh, did I nearly forget..........

can and will scratch £10 to £400 films at random at some point or another. [Confused]

Other than that,a fine projector Tom! [Big Grin]

I'm sure a seasoned veteran like Kevin has sampled all of the above on many occasions in the past as we nearly all have by now Tom.

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Alan Rik
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posted January 29, 2016 09:36 AM

I believe the Bauer T510 and 610 are almost identical except for the microprocessor. And the lens on the 510 is usually the 1.2 while the 610 shipped with the 1.1. Both are great machines. If you find one, pick the one in better condition with lower hours.
I had the Eumig S940 and while I do like the sound, its VERY good through its own internal speakers, you can get such great sound out of an Elmo GS1200 or a Beaulieu 708 Stereo when hooked up to external Speakers that sound just as nice.
Thanks to Paul I was able to get a 1.0 Ektar lens for the Eumig and the picture was stunning. Best picture I have seen to date but.. its 22mm so your projector has to have a large throw in order to get a bigger image. But the image is so sharp and contrast so high you can almost see the grain shimmer. Shimmer...shimmer..
And Andrew is right about the light. I don't know why but the Bauer which uses the same bulb appears brighter then the Eumigs. And the Beaulieu which uses the same bulb is brighter than the other 2! Its the adjustable shutter as well as the fast pull down mechanism. It allows more light to the screen. When using the 2 bladed shutter (adjustable on the Stereo models)the picture was as bright as the GS1200 with its 200 watt bulb. And because of the Schneider lens the picture seems whiter due to the cool bluish coating of the lens. The Elmo lens is warmer in color temperature.
But of course finding a nice unmolested and cared for Beaulieu is pretty tough these days.
I hate Chinons. There Ive said it. And I have used the top of the line 9500MV. Every single one of them chewed up films and one was new in the box!! I have not heard many good things about the SS1200 but you never know..well sometimes you know..
Elmo ST1200-not as elegant as the GS1200 but picture and sound are very nice and if you are not mechanically inclined to carry out your own repairs, that could be the machine for you.
Don't you love this hobby! [Smile]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted January 29, 2016 10:01 AM

There really isn't much at all to the mechanical arrangement on a Beaulieu. Very spacious and logical layout and very easy indeed to access and service the cam and claw come the appropriate times.

They are a million times easier in every respect to work on than any of the Bauer Studio range.
Even a belt change on the Bauer machines leads to a full cam and claw set up each time due to the full length shaft used and partial shaft removal to do so.
Thirty seconds to change a belt on the Beaulieu, one hour to service, adjust cam and claw if you were to follow my recommended lead regarding the main motor tachometer terminals.

Nothing to fear whatsoever on these.

To own and maintain a Bauer, you do have to be quite mechanically savvy for sure. Otherwise big repair bills each time something needs adjusting or servicing just from the man hours alone.
Still a great machine to have though and by far my most favourite recording tool.

I am really surprised to see Alan here recommending the ST but hey..one man's pill...once again! [Wink]

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Kevin Hassall
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posted January 29, 2016 10:50 AM

Wow guys I'm spoilt for choice I already have the Elmo st1200 and I've got the Bauer 610 on its way from Phil at chc and as for the chinnon forget it the reason I asked about the eumig was Phil has one near mint

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted January 29, 2016 11:12 AM

Enjoy it Kevin, any issues mate, anytime, just ask and we will sort it. [Wink]

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Alan Rik
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posted January 29, 2016 11:25 AM

I love the ST! Not as much as the others but if I didn't have the GS, Beaulieu, Bauer, the ST1200 is a nice choice. Its beauty is in the simplicity! And its so much better than a *Chinon*! [Smile]

Great news on the Bauer! You will love it!

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Kevin Hassall
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posted January 29, 2016 11:51 AM

Thanks guys I wish we could all get together for a drink

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Kevin Hassall
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posted January 29, 2016 12:26 PM

Thanks guys for all your help

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Paul Adsett
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posted January 30, 2016 02:04 PM

Andrew said:

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The main dislike I have of this machine (938) is it really does not maximize the light output from a 150w Xenophot lamp in the way that it could and really should.

Andrew, I also thought that the light output from the 938 should be better, so I checked the voltage across the lamp, while it was operating, and it was only 14.2volts! So I changed the transformer tapping from 117 volts to 110 volts, which brought the voltage up to 15.1 volts. There is a huge difference in brightness, and I have been running the projector this way for several years with no adverse effects, and I still get good lamp life. So I suspect there may be many 938's out there with greatly under-run lamps.

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The best of all worlds- 8mm, super 8mm, 9.5mm, and HD Digital Projection,
Elmo GS1200 f1.0 2-blade
Eumig S938 Stereo f1.0 Ektar
Panasonic PT-AE4000U digital pj

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