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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 17, 2007 06:46 PM
Ya know Kevin, I'm not the only to think this on the forum,
(and hey, I have to admit, that I am "negotiating" a price on one of your titles) ...
but I must say, I'm sad to see you moving all these titles.
Is this a gradual selling off of your whole collection on Super 8, (which is, of course, entirely your business), or just a slow down on 8mm?
The reason why I write this, is that I know full well how it is to seel off a collection, and have to look back with great sadness and longing for those days of collecting. I sold off my whole collection 18 years ago, only to get back into an
"Outdated" hobby three years ago.
The hardest part is remembering certain titles that I used to have, ("High Road to China" Super 8mm optical sound for instance), knowing full well that I would have to be damned lucky to run into it again.
That doesn't mean that I couldn't run into another copy of "Freaks" (as well), but odds are against it. Thats why I am negotiating with you to try to get one of your titles. be assured that it will get a loving permanent home with me.
yet again, it is very sad for me to see someone, who we all know loves Super 8mm with a passion, having to let go his collection.
at least there is one good thing about 8mm, that no form of video can boast.
I can always pick up a DVD of a film used for , what, $4.00 dollars? Try to do that with a choice title on Super 8mm?
Anyway, I look forward to a potential good end to our transactions.
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Keith Ashfield
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 997
From: U.K.
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted September 18, 2007 03:48 AM
Winbert - I think that Kevin mentioned that he wasn't accepting "Silly Offers". I am sure he would consider any serious offers.
Obviously, as collectors, we are all aware of the "Value" of Kevins collection and each person concerned, when enquiring, will know what they are prepared to pay for their particular "Want".
I think what Kevin is trying to avoid is "Time Wasters" trying to get "something for nothing", as we say here. I am sure that all that is required, is a little commonsense, especially considering the source of this collection on offer - this is not some "Wide Boy" on E-Bay, but a serious Film Collector with a known history. Some of these titles are rare - and I don't mean "E-Bay Rare", either. When selling a number of titles, in order to be fair, e-mails have to be sorted to be dealt with "First come First Served" and the complication of "time wasters" cannot help with this sorting.
[ September 18, 2007, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: Keith Ashfield ]
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 18, 2007 10:55 AM
and then ...
Sometimes these films go to people who have no love for the films, per se, and just want to turn a quick profit, only to find that they get nowhere near what they paid for it.
I've only ran into that once or twice personally.
I know that if I have a film that I have loved for many a year, I would much rather see it go to a person that i know will treasure it. Steve Osbourne made me an incredible deal on two prints of "Hoppity Goes to Town" a few months ago. He could have sold each print for the price of the two combined, but he knew that i had went thru lots of crappy prints trying to find a good one.
That, and there are always the "vultures", which I hate. You know, swirling around waiting for the seller to be in desperation in order to snatch up a bargain price. bastards!
If you want a really good print that has been loved by a reputable collector, you better damned well expect to pay a higher price for it.
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted September 19, 2007 10:06 AM
Sorry Alan, but perhaps, if someone steals my minivan, (not much luck of that rattle trap being stolen), I might be in the position to sell it ...
.... ooooh, and it has such gorgeous focus and exquisite colors!
That, my friends, is called lovely torture!
As for my "Holy Grail" of titles, I think negotiations are just about sucessful on this title, (fingers majorly crossed) ... and if I should be lucky enough to get it ...
except for an occasional ebay steal, I will out of the collecting biz for about 6 months, as it IS pricey ...
but this title is not really about money. This film was one of two films that were "watershed marks" in my life, (the other one was Star Wars). This film means the world to me and has inspired my very writing style, (scriptwriting), and just had a sense of wonder to it. Star Wars was one kind of wonder, and this one was a very different type but no less intense.
So, this film has very special meaning.
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Keith Ashfield
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 997
From: U.K.
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted September 20, 2007 08:38 AM
Lee - As you say, guidelines for pricing have never published but I think the prices are set by the individual collector ( I say collector, not dealer, by the way). Each collector will know what he is looking for and how much he is prepared to pay.
We must all have treasured film purchases that we crave and desire and one man's "Close Encounters" is another mans "Plan Nine" (or "Rose" - of course).
What one collector is prepared to pay for his particular "want" may be deemed ridiculous by another collector, and vice versa. That is what makes this hobby so interesting and "individual".
Collectors of film can be classed as a "whole", as collectors, but as individuals, when compiling their own collections.
We don't have restrictions placed on us, by having to go to a High Street store in Accrington and buying an item and the same item being purchased in a similar store in Manchester, for the same price. Unfortunatley our hobbies "High Street" stores have all but disappeared. Therefore we turn to each other to fulfil our needs, thereby setting our own purchasing guidelines.
Dealers are in business, like yourself, to make a profit and there is nothing wrong with that. The amount of profit they make is dictated by the purchaser. If you pay high prices for a film, that is the purchasers choice - the dealer doesn't "drag you in" off the street, kicking and screaming. As you say, where the purchase goes sour, is when the goods are "not as advertised".
Personally, I would sooner purchase from a well known source, within the "hobby", than some unknown entity on E-Bay, who sells anything from "bottle tops to window cloths". The number of sellers who advertise "box in excellent condition, but cannot check film as I don't have the equipment", immediatley sets alarm bells ringing!I have purchased on E-Bay but always check the sellers "Sale record" before doing so. If there are a mixture of goods and no "film sales" before,I am very careful.
I would like to think that films purchased on the forum from fellow collectors, should be purchased with the knowledge, that they are from a "known source" at a "fair price", with an accurate description on "quality".
In the end, that "fair" price is dictated by us, the individual collector.
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