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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 16, 2013 01:15 PM
OK, I am seriously thinking about making the plunge into 16MM, at least in a limited way, (now I wish I hadn't parted with the "Muppets" hmmm) as, quite frankly, there are quite a few 16MM titles that can be found in scope and even cheaper in some regards, thean super 8 prints of the same. I have an opportunity to get from a neighbor a Kodak 16MM projector, not auto-load, but I have heard that it is a very friendly projector for 16MM.
Besides that, I'm having a hard time passing on some 16MM prints for sale on this forum.
Anybody have any advice?
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Gary Crawford
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 979
From: Manassas, VA. USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted May 17, 2013 11:43 AM
Osi....as you well know....many times the 16 prints are worse than their 8mm counterparts. I've told how I sold my Star Wars and Dracula, Prince of Darkness prints ...when I got the much superior Super 8's . 16 can be a rich fertile field ..but with lots of rocks and holes to fall in, as you know. Yes..you can buy cheap prints of bad movies ...red and censored or chopped up.... and sometimes you can get some good B films...at a good price, too. Lots of TV shows out there for very little money.... but it's always a pig in a poke. If you have a Kodak Pageant in good running condition, you have one of the best. I run all Pageant 250's..... halogen lamps on those. And also the 126's are good machines, except for the incandescent lamps that just don't have the lumens for a big screen.
The elmo and eumig super 8 machines , for the most part, are brighter than the old machines with incandescent bulbs.
If you want to get some decent films at a decent price, you should either come to the Columbus Cinevent next weekend...or , even better, for super 8 AND 16..the Cinesea show...next one is first weekend in Oct. in Wildwood Crest, N.J.
Good luck in your foray into 16mm.
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted May 17, 2013 12:37 PM
I've actually noticed that Gary (and believe me, I am in NO WAY discontinuing my Super 8 collection), that sometimes the super 8 is actually better, but there are a myriad of 16MM titles that just aren't available on super 8, Bladerunner, for instance, rare, but out there on 16MM scope! In the past few days, I have noticed a print of "Last Days of Pompeii" right here on this forum and it is tempting me as well!
In fact, somtimes, the 16MM is cheaper than the super 8 print!
... and, if I should chose to acept the mission, "Grizzly Adams" is available in a very nice color 16MM. (However, I will still eternally search for a good color super 8!)
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Barry Fritz
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1061
From: Burnsville, MN, USA
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted May 19, 2013 08:03 PM
Hi Elyas,
I didn't mean to badmouth the older Pageants as they are very good machines. However, like all older tube amps, the capasitors eventually will need to be replaced. Unless you can do that yourself, you are in for a bit of an expense, especially if you have to ship the unit to the repairman (if you can find one). I do not know if it can be converted to halogen. My point was that if a person does not have a projector, get one with modern components.
[ May 20, 2013, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: Barry Fritz ]
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