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Topic: Will Hd Eclipse Film?
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John Whittle
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 791
From: Northridge, CA USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted December 01, 2009 12:27 PM
Stewart,
I don't think you can read into that move that Kodak thinks that there is a future in motion picture release print rawstock manufacture. Over the years the regulations and requirements have become burdensome on Kodak and motion picture labs. In the last 10 years we've seen more and more labs fold and go out of business just as we saw sound stripers disappear. Now there is less need for 35mm full coat and 35mm 3-stripe for production work and thus one of the major uses for used prints has disappeared (of course estar base wasn't usable for sound editing, anyway).
We really are at the mercy of very few companies to make the film and chemistry to keep release prints alive and as cheaper methods of distribution emerge, whether with Kodak or other companies, the demand will drop to the point where it's no longer economically feasible to make the film or the exotic organic chemicals to develop it. (Color developing agents and couplers are very complicated molecules.)
Kodak was marketing a full theatre program (pre-show slides, previews, main program, shorts) that would provide computer show make-up as well as service to maintain the projectors and manage admission, etc. A total turn-key system. The 2100 installations will probably be sold to other service providers. Kodak did not build the projectors themselves but sourced them from Barco and JVC/Hughes.
John
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Osi Osgood
Film God
Posts: 10204
From: Mountian Home, ID.
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted December 01, 2009 01:31 PM
I loved that first post of yours Winbert. Well said.
Even when actual production ceases, I believe that the facilities will still exist, even if for art houses and such and revivals. Look at what happened with Technicolor, being finished, (with "The Godfather" being the last official technicolor release) and in the last ten years or so, we have seen new technicolor re-releases coming forth, (Gone With The Wind, Wizard of Oz, ect.)
I think that there will always be an appreciation for film. I don't think it will completely go away.
By the way, there were some really good points made about the lack of reliability to video or digital sources. It seems to me that to rely on digital when it has a much quicker degrading property is a big problem. It is the same probelm that Hollywood has now when it switched, in large part, to Eastman film stock in the 1950's. Yes, less cumbersome and cheaper, but there are many Etasman negatives from back in the 50's that are incredibly hard to restore, as the elements are in terrible shape.
The CD's that we burn, for instance, are so unstable that they can already be beyond repair in just a few years. Get a magnet too near to your computer files and you can end up losing your computer files ...
... aqnd lets not forget the polar shift to happen in just three years, which is going to really cause worldwide havoc, which will also affect electrical sources and, in the end, digital sources. (for those that do not know about this, this is in combination with solar activity. Please look it up on the internet, its a fascinating read. Low tech, and I mean, REAL low tech, will become the norm again!)
No, Osi has not went off his nut, this is a documented fact and is already starting to affect things. Migrations of species, the now reversed global warming, (the temperature is now very slowly returning to normal, why do you think the powers that be have selectively switched the name to "climate change" instead og Global Warming? That term, has lived its days).
Gee, It may seem that I slipped off the subject. What I'm meaning to say is that digital and digital storage can be affected and destroyed far easily than film sources. As others have mentioned, look at how we still have film sources that are amazingly near a hundred years old!
It seems a foolhardy thing to switch from a time tested source in favor of something, (and, in fact, putting our faith in), that we don't really know the preservational potential. I find it interesting that even with restoring prints in digital, film archive houses will then make a brand new print on low fade film stock for final preservation.
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Paul Adsett
Film God
Posts: 5003
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted December 02, 2009 09:56 AM
I think DVD and BD film distribution will not be around 15 years from now. By then, it will only be available by downloading in a highly compressed form. Right now is the golden age for DVD and BD collecting, just as it was for super 8mm 30 years ago. So buy those discs now, while you can. The beautiful collectors edition DVD and BD sets with all the extras and extra features will probably be a thing of the past in a few years. Film, as we know it, will soon only exist in cyberspace. And will dvd's and BD's even be playable 20 years from now, even assuming you can still buy the players?
No such worries with film and film equipment, which as we know, will last a lifetime and beyond.
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