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Scott Mallory
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From: Montreal, QC
Registered: Jan 2011


 - posted May 13, 2013 10:09 AM      Profile for Scott Mallory   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Mallory   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey Everybody, So recently I've been getting my movie posters framed to decorate my basement theater. I've also been doing a lot of research on Mondo posters for my collection (if you're not familiar check out their archive section at www.mondotees.com, amazing artwork). Anyway while doing research I came across two articles about fake move posters and their eBay sellers. Imagine my disappointment when I discovered that my Empire Strikes Back and Raiders of the Lost Ark insert posters were phonies, especially after I paid $150 each to have them framed. I reported it to eBay (which really doesn't want anything to do with these type of disputes) and then I contacted the seller, Tom Loce, directly. He told me it was all lies and people were trying to sully his good name, yet he never addressed how my poster that I bought from him, the one in the fraud article, and the one he was currently selling all had the same NSS number. Lesson learned I guess and my stuff is still wall decoration for my theater, just not legit like he claimed. Anyway here are links to the articles, very interesting stuff.
http://moviepostercollectors.com/Fake-Seller-tloceposters-fake-inserts.html
http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/cinestarwars.htm#empire

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Pasquale DAlessio
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 - posted May 13, 2013 11:56 AM      Profile for Pasquale DAlessio     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Scott

Very interesting articles. Thanks for the post.

PatD

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
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 - posted May 13, 2013 05:10 PM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
Obviously I sympathise with your plight Scott, it's no joke paying
top prices for material that is obviously copied.Surely there are
laws that govern fraudulent selling,if it involved artwork like an
oil painting,where the work is proven to be counterfeit,then I'm
sure there could be action taken.

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Scott Mallory
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From: Montreal, QC
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 - posted May 13, 2013 10:24 PM      Profile for Scott Mallory   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Mallory   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah Hugh, If I would have caught it soon enough, I probably could have pressed him to refund my money, but I got the posters and waited a little over a year to get them framed. The bad part is that he's also a gold rated seller on eBay which means a lot of people are going to feel pretty secure buying from him.

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Jean-Claude Michel
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From: Saint-Ouen, Seine-Saint-Denis, France
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 - posted June 10, 2013 01:15 PM      Profile for Jean-Claude Michel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
About 25 years ago, a number of Belgian posters (from the post-WW2 era, small size) were reprinted. Of course most of the dealers sold them as reproductions, at honest price. But some others advertised in foreign magazines and sold these posters as "the real thing". These reprints were on glossy paper, very different from the original paper, and the colors weren't exact reproductions neither. But of course, nobody can judge from a little reproduction in a magazine!
It seems incredible, retrospectively, that in the mid-Sixties, you could send a 10 French francs banknote in a letter to a Belgian dealer, and in return you got no less than 20 (twenty) original post-WW2 Belgian posters, titles like "Frankenstein" (RR), "Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man", "The Curse of Frankenstein", "The Ape Man", "Return of the Ape Man", etc., all of them overpriced these days.

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Jonathan Trevithick
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From: Gold Coast Australia
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 - posted June 11, 2013 03:55 PM      Profile for Jonathan Trevithick   Email Jonathan Trevithick   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't really collect much film memorabilia these days. The only way to be sure things aren't fakes is to see them for real and buy them directly from the owner/movie theatres themselves(which is what I used to do in NZ and the UK).Also,having a number of the same original items does not necessarily mean they are fakes. Years ago, I bought a large collection which had been saved from a closing down theatre. I ended up with 6 original JAWS posters and 5 original GODFATHER posters. It paid for a very decent holiday abroad!
Staying on topic, this TLOCE guy does seem suspect. Many posters from the 70/80s and before would have machine folds or would have been stored that way by the cinemas. It's unlikely most would have been stored lovingly,leaving them "minty white" either. Many would have pinholes or evidence of having been displayed, too .
PS Excellent article, Scott!

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted June 12, 2013 12:57 PM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
I have some original Quads to "One Million Years B.C./SHE","Jason"
"Gwangi","Dracula Risen from Grave" etc, and can't believe the
silly money paid for these things.

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Jean-Claude Michel
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 - posted June 12, 2013 03:34 PM      Profile for Jean-Claude Michel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's a mixed bag in fact. Some old posters can be overprized, and others aren't. I paid 200€ for an Italian "manifesto" of LO STRANGOLATORE (= Crimes at the Dark House, 1940) and 400€ for the Argentinian poster of LA GRANJA MACABRA (= Maria Marten, or The Murder in the Red Barn, 1935). Just because the seller didn't know who was Tod Slaughter, I presume. It can seem expensive, but for original, exceedingly rare (and beautiful) vintage posters it was certainly a modest expense.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted June 12, 2013 04:33 PM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
I can understand you yourself paying an expensive price for a
poster that you really want,we've all been there Jean- Claude, but when you
see some of the prices paid for "King Kong", "Frankenstein" etc
many,many thousands of dollars,it takes ones breath away.

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Oemer Yalinkilic
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From: Berlin, Germany
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 - posted June 13, 2013 03:30 AM      Profile for Oemer Yalinkilic   Author's Homepage   Email Oemer Yalinkilic   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I collect also poster and lobby cards from movies, from them I own the 35mm print. It is strange, sometimes I paid more for the paper than for the feature. Most of the film collectors didn´t want pay so much for posters and the poster collectors think it is enough to have the DVD or Blueray and can´t understand that someone pay so much for a film.

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Robert Crewdson
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 - posted June 27, 2013 10:52 AM      Profile for Robert Crewdson     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I bought a poster of a Hepburn and Tracy movie a couple of years back from an antiques centre, when I got it home and looked more carefully I discovered it was photographed rather than printed.

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