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Brad Kimball
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 - posted July 18, 2004 02:02 AM      Profile for Brad Kimball   Email Brad Kimball   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why is it sound heads on our projectors wear out, but the sound heads on regular tape players do not? On average.... How many showings will a head last for until I start to notice wear? Now I'm leary about showing anything for fear that my units will no longer be of any use.

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Tom Photiou
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 - posted July 18, 2004 03:28 AM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As long as i can remember in my 25 years of collecting i'v never had heads wear. The one thing thats takes it out of heads is if you do a lot of sound recording . Useing playback only should 'nt do much damage. If a projector is stored at a low level near or next to a hoover,(i have seen that many times) or any other induction motorised unit this will have a wearing effect. In The same way keeping a VHS tape next to a magnet damages the tape. It may be that your heads just simply needs de-magnetising. The tool to do that is usually availible cheaply from Derann. [Wink] Do you use that protect a print on any of your films, I've seen that and i always remove it as it is quite abrasive.

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Mike Peckham
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 - posted July 18, 2004 06:44 AM      Profile for Mike Peckham   Email Mike Peckham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Funny thing is, I've never had a sound head require replacement on a sound projector and some of mine have been quite high mileage models.

I have taken the precaution of keeping an ST600 by for future use as a parts machine as I believe it shares the same guides, sound head and several other bits with the GS1200 but thus far there has been no hint of needing to 'break it open'.

I wonder whether, as Tom suggests it isn't so much that a sound head is worn but in need of cleaning or de-magnetising? From past posts on this forum I have noticed that it often seems to be Eumig owners that complain of worn sound heads and equally, trouble in reaching the sound head for routine cleaning, maybe the two are connected?

Mike

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Maurizio Di Cintio
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 - posted July 18, 2004 07:56 AM      Profile for Maurizio Di Cintio     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In my personal experience based opinion:
a) regular sound recorders have much stronger heads than any S/8 projector, but keep in mind that at an early stage of wear only a very careful ear may perceive it.

b) recording produces wear (mechanically wise) because you often have to re-record in case of mistakes; apart from that the process of recording per se doesn't affect wear more than playback does.

c) both recording and playback can produce a state of permanent magnetization on the heads: this increases hissing noise and reduces high frequency output; in the long term it can demagnetize the soundtrack too, resulting in a loss of the higher end of the sound spectrum. Solution: demagnetize them on a regular basis (usually every 20-30 hrs) with a proper tool or, in case you don't have it, putting the projector in the recording mode (trick control, if any, set at normal rec), for about ten seconds, projector running with no film. It works because the Bias current from the heads accomplishes the same result as a profesional demagnetizer.

d) Sad to say but no matter how careful you are with your projectors: sound heads do wear out in time. Of course this is a more or less 'fast' process depending on a few factors: the force applied by the pressure pads onto the heads; the resiliance of the heads (GS1200's have the hardest ones followed by Sankyo's 300-800); the type of soundstripe: usually paste stripes are more abrasive than laminated.

Plus the shape of both heads and pressure pads may result in a wear more or less noticeable.

The Goko RM 8008 Sound Editor features the same sound head as the Elmo GS 1200, but the pressure pads are less gentle: I had to replace them several years ago.

Here is my directory of sound heads resiliance:

1) GS 1200 (this machine has a type of head made of sendust alloy which is extremely hard and performing: no other Elmo machine has something like that)
2) Sankyo (all models) and Fumeo heads,the latter made by Photovox
3) Eumig (Series 800)
4) Bauer/Beaulieu (heads made by "Woelke" of Munchen, Germany)
5) Eumig (Series 900: models 905-940, with the exception of models 932, 934, 936, which have different and harder heads)

A suggestion: Sankyo heads have the exact dimensions of Elmo heads, so if you only use your precious GS 1200's for playback, it might be useful to replace the head with one taken from the higher end (dual track) Sankyo machines, such as models 700 or 800.

Hope this helps

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Mike Peckham
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 - posted July 18, 2004 10:08 AM      Profile for Mike Peckham   Email Mike Peckham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Maurizio, have you thought about writing for the 'Film for the Collector Magazine'? What you wrote above would make a good techy bit article.

Mike [Cool]

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Tom Photiou
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 - posted July 18, 2004 02:23 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That was good info, Mikes right, that would make a good techy bit so do send that in, Mike, your right about the Eumigs, My Brother reminded me that back along he had to have second hand Heads put into his 810D, as i understand it Eumig heads are quite soft, I did have an 840 Multiprocessor heavily used for recording and one track of the heads gave up. At least the Elmos's are easy to get to for cleaning. I do posesss a set of 4 pressure pads and springs for the heads of my 1200HD but i reckon,(fingers crossed) i'll never need them. I do treat the heads like a set of teeth,regular and gentle cleaning, don't let the dirt build up and you should be ok [Wink]
Some of you blokes out there do have superb info on the electricle sides of the projectors and im sure there are many people who would appreciate you sharing through the FFTC mag, i'm a little limited on what i can do, mostley basic's but if someone could do a few it would fill some more pages. [Razz]

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Maurizio Di Cintio
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 - posted July 19, 2004 12:02 PM      Profile for Maurizio Di Cintio     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks, folks, for your praises. Indeed I do write articles on several S/8 related topics, but in Italian only. Maybe one day I'll manage to translate them into English... We'll see.

As for the 940 haeds: I wouldn't be surprised if the sound head for track 2 stopped working for first. Being much thinner than the main track head, they are much weakier too. It's a real pity that these otherwise wonderful machines have such a weak part. On the other hand they are made of permalloy, a magnetic alloy which has excellent sound transmisison properties, though not so hard as sendust. This account for the excellent sound quality of almost all Eumig Series 900 machines. Fortunately the sound assembly of these projectors are very easy to open and clean, differently from the previous series. It is possible to remove the whole pressure pad system for cleaning. By using a curved small mirror (like the ones used by dentists) you can easily look at the heads and clean them. And after everything has been reassembled, there is absolutely non need to tune the pads whatsoever: very ingenious.
Finally another tip: since, as we have seen, the head for track too is so "softer" than the other one, it is really worthwhile to have two different sound pressure pads cartridges: one with all four pads working, the other one with the two pads relative to track two removed: in this way, no mechanical stress will be endured by the weakier heads when screening mono sound/striped films. Believe me, if you use the track 2 just when needed, this sound head will last much longer.
Cheers.

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Paul Adsett
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Hi Maurizio,
What a terrific tip about the 900 series sound head pads! I have two Eumig 926GL stereos, and one Eumig 938 stereo. The Track 2 head of the one 926GL has pretty well gone, as I used it for about 10 years befoe I got my Elmo's. However the other 926, which I only use for re-recording, is just fine. Also the 938 heads are like new, because I limit the play time on it because of the soft heads. I will now take the pressure pad off the old 926 and trim away the track 2 pads, and use that pad whenever I am showing just mono prints on the 938. I agree with you about the terrific sound quality of the Eumig 900's- about the best I have heard. I am a big enthusiast of the 938/940 machines. The stereo quality you get from dubbing from DVD with these machines is unbelievable.

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Maurizio Di Cintio
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 - posted July 20, 2004 06:50 AM      Profile for Maurizio Di Cintio     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree. Wishing you very long uears of home movie enjoyment with your Eumig machines. BTW: is there a source for these heads in the USA that you know of? I've almost run out of "stock" (I'm sure I purchased the very last three specimens of these heads ten years ago).

Cheers.

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Paul Adsett
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Hi Maurizio,
No I'm afraid I have not been able to locate any supplies of new Eumig sound heads in the USA, or Europe for that matter. If you ever come across a new 938/940 head, please let me know as I am looking for one.

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Gary Crawford
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I join with some others in saying that I've never had a head wear out.....One of my elmo's was bought in the mid 70's....and has run and run and run....and still has the original heads and both tracks sound very good. I've had many Eumigs so none have gotten a huge amout of running time and they all are great. I clean them every so often, but have found that with most stripes, there's not much residue left on the heads. I have had reel to reel tape machines show head wear and have replaced many a head.

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Tony Milman
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This is going to be one of those dumb questions but why is it that heads in cassette tape recorders are smooth and in cine they are raised

Tony

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Mark Todd
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I`d assume it was to protect the picture surface from marking or scratching Mr T.
Best Mark.

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Kevin Faulkner
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Hi Maurizio,
That was a great bit of writing. I agree with all you had to say. I too have never had an elmo head wear out but agin like you I cant say the same for my Goko RM8008. The head is really in need of replacement but I dont want to put my spare GS head in the goko.
I was told that the later GS's had better heads along with the ones supplied as spares. Cleaning the heads regularly and giving them a good demagnetise also helps with any quality issues which some users put down to head wear. I'm sure there are people who have changed their Elmo heads when really they need not have.

Kev.

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Tony Milman
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Mark, thanks, I guess so.

Kev, how often should the head be de-magnetised and how do you go about it?

Tony

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Kevin Faulkner
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Not that often really Tony. I have a small TDK unit with an angled tip which is designed for awkward cassette decks. This is best done with the machine off or else the noise can be horrendous.

Kev.

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