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Topic: Does anyone use a CIR Super 8 splicer?

Adrian Winchester
Film God

Posts: 2941
From: Croydon, London, UK
Registered: Aug 2004

posted August 16, 2004 09:26 PM

If anyone uses one of these, I'd appreciate a comment on how good the results are. I have a 16mm one but I guess the hole punching and edge trimming needs to be even more accurate on S8, so I wondered if it produces precision results that are invisible on projection? I use a Wurker which is good but I expect CIR splices would cost a lot less! I also thought it might be good for restoring minor sprocket damage, as it goes right round the holes. I suppose splicing a stereo film must be a pain, though!

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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1261
From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003

posted August 17, 2004 01:16 AM

Hello Adrian,

I have the CIRO 16mm as well as the Super 8 model splicers.
The Super 8 version was released in two models.
One was manufactured with a Plastic Matrix and the other was developed with a Steel Matrix. This unit is also useful when taping polyestar based film stock,
because film cement will not adhere to poly prints.

At the time (some 20 years ago) the plastic model sold for $40.00 US dollars
and the metal was about double the amount.
I own the steel model, and have been satisfied with its usefulness.
The tape covers only two frames of film which is ideal. Most importantly
it allows you to perforate the sprocket holes for even alignment.

The splices are very good, but I always manage to hear a click or pop,
as a splice travels over the sound head.

Aside from the fact that the wrap-around technique prohibits
the balance stripe from playing, it leaves an allowable space for
the main stripe to be unaffected. Thus,it is important to plan the splice
before taping, so that the the main stripe will not be covered by tape, or that
you will not perforate frames in the film.

I have not tried to use this splicer to repair excessive footage of torn or
enlarged sprocket holes.

Cheers,
Michael

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Michael De Angelis
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: USA
Registered: Jul 2003

posted August 17, 2004 12:19 PM

Adrian,
I found this on the Wittner-kinotechnik site.
If you are interested, you may ask if it is with either the plastic or steel matrix?

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It displays the CIRO splicers.

Cheers,
Michael

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Chris Quinn
Master Film Handler

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From: England, Bedfordshire.
Registered: Nov 2003

posted August 17, 2004 12:46 PM

Hi Adrian,
I endorse every thing that Michael has said about the CIR, i have an old metal one that i found in the back of a junk shop, and that cost me only 50P,
amazingly i saw one go for sale on ebay and it sold for £99, unbelievable!
Anyway, they are really good and the windscreen centre sells the plastic version. I believe they are very reasonable.

Chris.
http://www.widescreen-centre.co.uk/cine.html

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Adrian Winchester
Film God

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From: Croydon, London, UK
Registered: Aug 2004

posted August 17, 2004 06:48 PM

Thanks very much - Michael and Chris - for your comments on these, which were encouraging. I've initially put in a bid on one on Ebay - which looks like a plastic one in excellent condition. The German site mentioned by Chris has some interesting items - I never thought I'd see a Super 8 splicer costing 590 Euros!

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Joe Taffis
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1592
From: United States
Registered: Jun 2003

posted August 18, 2004 09:49 PM

Hi Adrian, if you go back to page 26 of the Forum you'll see my post on ciro splicers(7/14/2003). I was trying to get some other users' input going, but it didn't happen. Still, there's a little info there. Regards....

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Maurizio Di Cintio
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 977
From: Ortona, Italy
Registered: Jan 2004

posted August 19, 2004 07:13 AM

Hi, there!
This splicer was my first splicer over twenty years ago. If used so as to have the two edges perfectly in contact, no drop- out sound will be heard. Also you can use the double stripe: just use a cutter or a razor blade after each splice and remove that very tiny portion of tape covering track 2. It works. And yes, the splicer can be used also to repair torn sprockets.
Regards

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