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Tony Milman
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 - posted October 18, 2004 01:49 PM      Profile for Tony Milman   Author's Homepage   Email Tony Milman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was wondering. On this forum there has been mention of various modifications that people have carried out to their Elmo machines for a whole host of reasons. Some of these are good ideas and others may not have quite worked as well as hoped..

I wonder if you could just add below details of modifications you have made/seen with details where possible of how to carry them out, the dangers and the benefits of doing so.

Perhaps you could also think of a wish list of mods?

If there are enough maybe this could be made into an article for FFTC?

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Mike Peckham
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 - posted October 18, 2004 02:48 PM      Profile for Mike Peckham   Email Mike Peckham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My GS had been modified before I bought it, apparently by David Locke. There are two mods, one is good, the other I remain to be convinced about.

The first one is the modification to the imput guide. It has had the dodgy area that wears and then causes wear to films replaced with a chrome roller. This machine doesn't scratch films and I'm sure this mod is partly responsible for that.

The second mod I suspect is somehow linked to the first one, the solonoid and microswitch threading system has been disabled meaning that whilst threading a film you must hold the green threading knob down until the film has appeared at the rear take up spool. Ok, so no big deal but I do wonder how this was meant to be an improvement and I do kind of miss the quirky GS 1200 auto threading thing going on. [Roll Eyes]

Mike

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Tom Photiou
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 - posted October 18, 2004 02:50 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Only one i've done is taking the circumfrence rubber off the shutter and fitting a new slighty modified lower motor pulley to take up the spped, works perfect, and of coursr my mody roller. Also seen in an old FFTC a two bladed shutter for more light output, no good on 18fps though. [Wink]

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Chris Quinn
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 - posted October 18, 2004 04:45 PM      Profile for Chris Quinn   Email Chris Quinn   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's a pity Dave Locke don't post, he has done lot's of mods to his GS1200 including the anti scratch arrangement Mike has mentioned.
I recently met Dave Locke at Tadley and it was a pleasure to meet someone who has done so much for the hobby and still is.
As far as doing any mods to my GS1200, Kev would kill me, i leave that sort of thing to the experts.
I do have a 2 bladed shutter on mine curtesy of Mr Elmo.

Chris.

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Kevin Faulkner
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 - posted October 18, 2004 04:46 PM      Profile for Kevin Faulkner         Edit/Delete Post 
A GS Xenon with Blue Leds! [Wink]

Kev.

Sholud I post a pic of mine?

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Chip Gelmini
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 - posted October 18, 2004 05:12 PM      Profile for Chip Gelmini     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This might not be what you mean, but I will write anyway.

Some of you looked at the link of my Tower units for big reel projection. No modifications are made to ANY machine used in the Towers. You can run with the rear arm up, but the front arm must stay down to avoid contact with the large upper reel.

The Tower is designed so that the machine is free of heavy take up on the mechanics. That being the projector need only pull the film through, slightly more engery than running with out film or reels.

My only true modifications to any such equipment have been the cradles for 35mm scope lenses, and I have also converted a Kelmar cleaner from 35 to 8/16mm. But that of course, has been done before as well.

The only modification that I have ever done to an Elmo projector, was a private sale of an HD and the unit came to me with the missing white take up roller just before the take up reel. While it was true it was missing and not in the box, it turned out the shaft screw was broken and the threaded hole could not be reused. So I carefull drilled a hole through the main case and inserted a bracket for a 35mm Kelmar roller to take the place of the part broken/lost. It was abit tricky for me as I am not good with these kinds of things, but in the end it worked out well and the Kelmar roller being sealed bearings rotates alot better than how the little white roller would have eveb if it had been complete and restored.

CG

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted October 18, 2004 06:23 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike
I can't confirm it but I'd be surprised if the 2nd modification you mentioned was done by Dave Locke. He did the anti-scratching measures modifications on my GS many years ago, but nothing which disabled the auto threading, and he did not offer this as an option. I expect he will be at the BFCC on Saturday, so you might be able to ask him about it.
Adrian

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Michael De Angelis
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 - posted October 18, 2004 10:20 PM      Profile for Michael De Angelis   Email Michael De Angelis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have replaced a small rubber roller in place of the half shaped small black bow tie plastic piece, which was designed to eliminate wow and flutter.

A white plastic nylon roller was added to the threading shoe that has the red arrow. This modification I purchased from the Great Mr. Wilton.

My only question is that prior to all modifications, I still get an intermittent rubbing - squeaking sound which comes from the number 2 film guide.
(It's the part that creates the upper loop.) I've checked this repeatedly, and I can't seem to silence the noise.

Also, after running film, I get flaking dust debris that accumulates on top of the lens barrel. Is this coming from the oxide stripe? What causes this type of build up?

Best,
Michael

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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 - posted October 19, 2004 02:27 AM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This might sound utterly barbaric but I'm tempted to ask:
Has anyone ever attempted to fit bigger arms on a GS1200 to accomodate 720 m reels?

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John Clancy
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 - posted October 19, 2004 06:25 AM      Profile for John Clancy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jean-Marc, people have extended the arms of the GS to use 2,400 foot spools. Not something I fancy doing; I can see the benefit but once done the arms don't fold down flat as they overlap.

Chris and Adrian, the reason the auto-thread will have been disengaged on Chris's machine is because the micro-switch at the back has given up. Once this happens the loop does not release so there are two alternatives. 1) Replace the micro-switch with what is currently available - but these generally give up very quickly. 2) Modify the threading mechanism so the loop is just held down whilst the auto-thread is required.

Keith's modified two of my GS's because the poxy micro-switches have gone.

Also, Keith was trying to get Hanimex to adopt his modified top guide design with the roller inset but he couldn't get them interested. Fortunately others besides Keith took it up and there are plenty of modified guides out there.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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 - posted October 19, 2004 07:09 AM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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Jean-Marc, people have extended the arms of the GS to use 2,400 foot spools. Not something I fancy doing; I can see the benefit but once done the arms don't fold down flat as they overlap.
John, I totally understand that. But, in case of a permanent installation, this is tempting. Perhaps fitting the arms from a DOA Beaulieu or a Fumeo, even an Elmo 16CL. Although I'm not sure the original motors would be able to cope with the extra weight. Anybody tried this? Just curious...

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Modify the threading mechanism so the loop is just held down whilst the auto-thread is required.
Pardon me for being such an ignoramus. I'm not a GS owner *yet* but should be in the near future. So, I'm trying to grab as much details as I can.
Does this mean that, in case of the push-down auto-thread malfunctionning, you need to keep pressing down on that greenish part until the film's run to the take-up spool? Or is it risky?
I'm asking because there's, for instance, a slight misconception regarding the Beaulieu 708. People think you can load manually. Not quite. Well, you can but it's tricky. Some sections are so narrow (particularly the one leading to the sound heads, I think Kevin will agree) that threading the film in there is quite a perilous task. I don't even want to talk about removing the film in case of an interrupted projection. So, threading the Bealieu requires you to push down on the threading/loop button until there's enough leader to attach to the take-up spool.

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John Clancy
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 - posted October 19, 2004 07:59 AM      Profile for John Clancy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If the micro-switch for the auto-thread malfunctions it means that once the autothread is engaged it is not possible to release it. Keith did a very fiddly modification to mine which means that the auto-thread has to be held in place until the film has gone through the sound head then it can be released.

Having said that, I've just remembered that the front micro-switch is playing up on my Xenon conversion machine meaning that often I can't engage the auto-thread at all. When this happens I thread up using the pause mode which quietly and slowly threads the film past the sound head.

Finally, even though my GS's are in place permanently there are always occasions where they need to be moved which means I want to fold the arms down. It's also nice to be able to leave the dust covers on them. If I wanted to use 2,400ft spools I think reel arm extenders like those produced by Spondon is the way I'd go.

In the days when Hanimex still did spares for the GS it was possible to purchase an extra set of arms and cut them up to insert an extra piece into the existing arms. Not something I'd fancy doing but certainly possible. In fact, I think Dave Locke actually did this to his. He also adapted a sync' pulse unit that fitted within the case of the projector with the necessary connections accessed through the rear. Occasionally, these modified machines turn up. Good bloke.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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 - posted October 19, 2004 08:48 AM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John, many thanks for your comments.
It's reassuring to see that there are so many friendly knowledgeable people on this forum to turn to in case something goes wrong with a projector.
I guess I'll have to start looking for a Long Play unit. Chip is apparently selling one but there might be trouble finding the missing pieces...

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Chip Gelmini
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 - posted October 19, 2004 11:02 AM      Profile for Chip Gelmini     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jean-Marc:

Read my sale listing for the Spondon Spooler again to see what parts are needed. Then ask Derann, as I once heard they bought out David's stock after he died. It might be too late by now, but check with Derann first.

Chip

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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 - posted October 19, 2004 11:40 AM      Profile for Jean-Marc Toussaint   Author's Homepage   Email Jean-Marc Toussaint   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks, Chip. Email to Derann sent. I'll keep you all posted.

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Chip Gelmini
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Jean-Marc:

If you are interested in the Spooler please send future mails privately. My address below:

prfcg@cape.com

Thanks. Chip

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Kevin Faulkner
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 - posted October 19, 2004 06:05 PM      Profile for Kevin Faulkner         Edit/Delete Post 
Michael, Squeaking noises from the guides particularly at the top and bottom sprocket are caused by lack of grease at the point where the guide sits in the slot on the rear of each sprocket wheel. Lift the top guide after removing the input guide (with red arrow) and apply a small amount of grease at the rear of the guide where it sits in the rear slot of the sprocket wheel. I think all will become more clear when you actually have a look at the way the guide sits.
Odd bits of film and stripe do tend to build up on top of the lens barrel and I dont think is anything to worry about unless there is lots of it. One thing to just mention is that the film should not touch any part of the loop former during normal projection. If it does that could explain the extra bits of debris that are dropping off onto the lens barrel.
A mod I have used on the GS is really used instead of the Mr Wilton roller mod on the input guide. The guide on the SC18 has a natural curve for the film and doesnt wear. I have a SC18 guide which is cut down and will then fit the GS. After many thousands of feet there is still no wear.

Kev.

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