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Topic: New Derann Feature - Update
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Barry Attwood
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1411
From: Enfield, U.K.
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted April 29, 2005 04:04 AM
I've just been speaking to that lovely little Scotsman Duncan at Derann, and I garnered some information about this lovely new F/L feature release (Master & Commander: The Far Side Of The World). Duncan said it will come on 7x400' reels, it's in full scope, and he said the print (they have got a test print already) is one of the best for many a year, and collectors will not be dissapointed, the sound should be Stereo, but as the track is being done right now, it will have to be confirmed at a later date. Duncan said that they hope to have prints for the BFCC at Ealing, but if that comes too soon, then at least a part of the test print will hopefully be shown at Keith's event. I think a little bit of collector power has influenced this release, as Duncan said they have been asked so much about this title, that when it came along as a possible 8mm release, they have taken the chance. So perhaps if this film sells well, then there may be more F/L Derann features to come, I do hope so, the market needs a shot in the arm in that direction, so well done Derann for taking a gamble.
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Barry Attwood
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1411
From: Enfield, U.K.
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted April 29, 2005 06:07 AM
Dear Tony,
Yes I do know that some Forum members have ordered this title, but you must appreciate that there are numerous 8mm collectors who have never heard of the 8mm Forum (or even have a computer), and the old fashioned snail mail is still the way for many (I should know this, being a dealer as I am). I know Derann will be pleased with the orders generated by the Forum, but they will sell most of the prints of this title when it is advertised on their printed listings, and that is a fact of the 8mm world. But they must be congratulated in giving it a go, as Derek told me just before he died that Derann WOULD NEVER release another 8mm F/L print, so someone at Derann is taking a chance, don't you think!
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Barry Attwood
Phenomenal Film Handler
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From: Enfield, U.K.
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted April 29, 2005 06:56 AM
Dear Mike,
Yes I know what your talking about, and I appreciate that quite a few of the Forum members were instrumental in getting this release out, but Derann would not entertain the idea if they didn't think that they would make a profit on it, because the cost of the neg and soundtrack being made would cost a lot more than the just the Forum members orders, (I think Duncan said he had 10 firm orders so far), and I was just pointing out that the wider market is where the profit will be, and therefore any subsequant F/L releases will be gauged on. I think it's admirable that Forum members have come together like this, but be honest, if Derann didn't think they could make a profit on the film, it wouldn't be released at all (perhaps an extract only).
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Jan Bister
Darth 8mm
Posts: 2629
From: Ohio, USA
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted April 29, 2005 09:12 PM
Completely off-topic, but I've just GOT to ask...
Why will this be released on 7x400' reels? Many serious collectors among us will have machines with 1200' or at least 800' capacity - I do understand, of course, that this isn't the case for many others but even so, just about every super-8 sound projector has at least a 600' capacity, so I do not understand why releases are still put out on 400' reels at all?
Those of you with large-capacity projectors will want to splice the reels together for fewer interruptions, so why not make it easy and release on 600' reels to begin with, instead of 400' ones.... I've been wondering about that for quite a while, really... Any enlightenment on this? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Chip Gelmini
Phenomenal Film Handler
Posts: 1733
From: Brooksville, FL
Registered: Jun 2003
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posted April 29, 2005 09:36 PM
Hi Jan
Placing the film on 400 footers is equal to how the film was made, at 20 minute intervals, thus 35mm reels @ 2000 feet. For your reel changes, they are exsactly at the right place, that meaning where the director intended the reel changes to be made.
On your full 600 foot reels, that's like breaking one of those 400 footers early right in mid scene, often destroying the dialouge, if any at the time the reel split happens.
I would assume this is also the reason why Derann and other dealers suggest that although shiipped on 600 footers, it doesn't always gaurantee that will be the actuall amount of true footage.
As a former theater projectionist I can agree with using 400 footers and it should not be anything else.
I caution all who use 1200 foot reels to look at the smaller reels first. The reel split between big reels may not always be where you want it.
Look for under filled reels in proper order. Your first big reel might fit 1-2-3 perfectly, but it also might have enough room for reel number 4; and 5-6-7 would fill the second big reel almost full. This was the case with the scope print of Grease awhile back. DO NOT make any mistakes that you will regret later on. Re-editing this to make a change that could have easily been avoided can be very difficult.
I would also recommend to all that you run the movie first before cutting the leads. Check for any factory defects that might be present. If any, decide if it should be returned and corrected; or if you could live with it. I can't speak for Derann of course, but I would assume once a lead has been cut, any possible warranties could or might be voided.
And when removing heads and tails during your make up, ALWAYS leave ONE MATCH original frame on the tails and heads. This identifies proper reels when you break it down later (suppose you want to sell it); and it also avoids any beep tones on number 3 header flash for sound sync test.
CG
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