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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted September 01, 2005 07:34 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
On EBay someone is selling a lot of 8mm stuff but the length of the reels are not common, i.e 500", 700".

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZvelvetfog1

I am interested on some of them, eventhough they don't come with the original boxes, such as: Airplane, Godfather, 10 Commandements, and Warriors. I know that these titles were released by Marketing Films and it has also been confirmed by the seller. But the strange thing they are all mounted in 800" reel and the seller is saying they are 700"

I understand, Marketing released them on digest (400), three parter (1200) and full feature. So these reels are odds to me. Somebody says in this forum that three parter Marketing can be mounted to 800 reels.

Please re-confirm me of this statement, is it true? So why the seller says they are 700"??
[Confused]

The other thing, the seller also sells Bruce Lee "Enter of Dragon" 2 x 700, which I believe it come from four parter. The seller says it runs for 65 minute (original running time according to imdb is 98 minutes). But I only knew, UFA German who released four parter and of course dubbed in German. When I asked this, the seller says that this is in English and released by Warner.

Another confusion.....

Anybody can clarify this Bruce Lee [Confused]

regards,

[ September 01, 2005, 08:54 PM: Message edited by: Winbert Hutahaean ]

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Jan Bister
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Have no idea about the Bruce Lee film, but as for the 700' length they keep stating, my guess is that since so many of these 2x400' releases are really closer to 2x350' in length, the seller took this into account and figured twice 350' equals 700'. So it's just their own quirky way of stating the film length - likely very close to the truth, but of course a bit confusing at first, too.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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Winbert, Jan is absolutely right.
Just got my paws on a lot of U8 2 parters and some of them were squeezed on 600ft reels. Very, very full 600 ft reels. So full, I had to wind some of these back on 800ft spools.
A cutdown of "Enter the Dragon" was indeed released by Warner, but I remember it being a single 400ft reel.
I have Airplane, Godfather, and Warriors, but they are three parters, so closer to 1000ft, even though Marketing releases were thinner. Can anybordy confirm that they can be spliced on to a 800ft reel?
10 Commandements is indeed a two-parter.
The seller doesn't really say the state fo the film ("box looks good, no mildew smell") so other confusions are foreseable. But this is a good opportunity out of Australia. So, if you can snatch a good job lot at a good price, go for it!

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Andreas Eggeling
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Hi Winbert,

About Bruce Lee-films.
UFA started 1978 to release all thearical original bruce lee films as four parters. The copyright holder was the german "Scotia" except for "Enter the Dragon". "Dragon" was from Warner, but I think the reason why "Dragon" was released in four parts and not as a three parter like "Exorcist" was
the experience in Germany of the successfully sellings of the earlier released Bruce Lee four parters and the influence of (big) UFA how many parts a 8mm release should have.

About the lengths, there are sometimes confusing auctions on german ebay too. In this case I trying to analyze the pics. I change contrast and brightness and looking for remarkablenesses regarding different parts and splices.

Airplane
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A marketing two parter on thinner poly stock have place
on a 500 feet reel.

You should ask him, if the filmstock of these reels - during the titles not during the white leader - is thinner as of "Yogi Bear" or "King of the Jungle", which he also sells.

And ask him about the color when he holds the reel against the light. Aks him if it is yellow or dark. If it is yellow then it is polyester.

If the prints are on normal polyester filmstock it is also possible that all three parts on the 800 feet reel. But then it would shows a little bit more place than 800 feet. For example "Clash of the Titans" on normal polyester filmstock.

Andreas

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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Being a great fan of Grissom and his gang, I sometimes wonder why we don't change the name of this forum to "CSI: 8mm".
Andreas, thanks a lot...

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Many thanks for your help, especially for Horatio "Eggeling" Caine from CSI Ulm [Wink] [Big Grin]

So there is a possibility, they are compleat, aren't they? I will ask the seller as Andreas has advised me.

Yes, since the seller is in Australia, I will take the advantage of cheaper shipping cost. This is always an obstacle for me when buying 8mm films from Europe or States.

Anyway the seller is also not new for me. He is the one where I bought my Godfather 2, Cincinnati Kid and Ben Hur as my previous post before. Unfortunatelly, the three films are reddish.

Thanks,

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Douglas Meltzer
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Winbert,

My prints of Marketing's "Black Sunday", "The Warriors" and "Prophecy" (all three-parters) are each spooled on 800' reels.

Jean-Marc,

Marketing released "Ten Commandments" as a three-parter. In fact, that one's also on an 800' reel.

Doug

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James N. Savage 3
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In reference to "Enter the Dragon", this WAS released as a 4 x 400 foot version by Warner/Columbia super 8 in America. It was the only Bruce Lee movie that I know of to be released by an American super 8 company. It is also the only 4 x 400 foot digest (that I know of) to be released from Warner/Columbia super 8 in the U.S. It originally came packaged in four big white clam shell cases with identical full color labels for each box, with photos on back.

The colors are still good on my print. Just wish it had been letterboxed, like the UFA versions.

Nick.

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Dave Cragg
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Hi Winbert,
I'm keenly watching the "Enter the Dragon" auction. Up to now I had been unable to find out if any of Bruce Lee's films had been released in English as a 4 x 400ft version.
Good luck on the other bids!

Dave

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Andreas Eggeling
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Hi Nick,

what I want to say in my first message for this topic was, that
the german "Dragon" 4 x 400 are US-prints with german sound.
The german made 4 x 400 versions of "Fist of Fury", "Big Boss", "Game of Death" and "Way of the Dragon" are letterboxed.

For those who interested in martial arts: UFA also issued the funny "Drunken Master" with Jacky Chan as a 4 x 400 footer. The first edition was flat (pan scan), the following better editions are letterboxed. UFA never announced that two picture versions were made.

I´ve seen a uncut version of "Way of the Dragon" on spanish iBazar (now eBay) few years ago.

Jean-Marc, Winbert,
you gave me a miracle
[Confused] what means "CSI"? [Confused]

Andreas

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James N. Savage 3
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Hi!-

Good luck on the bid Dave. A very nice featurette.

Andreas- Thanks for the info on the letterboxing. I have the 4 x 400 foot versions of UFA's release of "The Way Of The Dragon" and "The Chinese Connection" (English titles). As you said, they are both letterboxed, so I assumed that UFA's "Enter" was also.

I also have Jackie Chan's "Drunken Master" 4 x 400 foot. Reels #1, #3, and #4 are letterboxed and look very good. Reel #2, however, is full-framed, has a grainy picture, and no balance stripe [Mad] ! Reel #2 was so bad, in fact, that I just combined the other three reels for a 1200 foot digest. It's much more enjoyable that way. The best scenes are in reels #3 and #4 anyway.

Oops......looks like we got off the original topic again [Roll Eyes] .

Nick.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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Andreas,
I just to realise that in Germany everything must be in German. Sound is dubbed, soundtrack is dubbed and even title. So in the case of CSI probaly in German (according to altavista.com) may become WUV or.....Wissenschaftliche Untersuchung des Verbrechens [Confused] [Wink]

So...WUV Ulm...but sounds strange, heh?! [Big Grin]

Anyway, thanks for the reply...it's really help, especially for the Bruce Lee's case.

A warning from me...anybody from UK or US and any other parts of the world ....the shipping cost will kill you US$30!!. This is to let me alone in the auction.... [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

cheers,

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Dave Cragg
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Thanx for the best wishes James; it'll be just my luck that my internet service breaks down just as I'm about to bid!! [Mad]
Andreas; the uncut Way of the Dragon you saw on the Spanish site; what language was that in?

Thanx,
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Dan Lail
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Winbert, I think they are completely odd. [Big Grin]

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Andreas Eggeling
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Dave,

the language was spanish and the company the print came from was "video8", [Eek!] what an unacceptable super8mm company name ......

Nick,

I have bought the "Drunken Master" four-parter fivetimes till I have now all parts in letterbox and acceptable condition for my own collection .... hard to find, but now I am happy with them.

Winbert,
[Big Grin] "WUV" sounds very strange and not sexy. No, not all in Germany must be in german. More and more titles have their original english title, because they can´t translate without loosing their ambiguity. Or because the original sounds sexier. Also in advertisement the marketing experts using english slogans, but the germans missunderstanding often the message. Really funny.
And sometimes the germans must use english versions on traffic signs. "CC" = Congress Centrum. The german "Kongress Zentrum" shortened as "KZ" can´t be used because of historical horrible reasons.

The germans creating also new words which sounds very english. For a "Mobile phone" we use the shorter english spoken "Handy". [Wink]

Andreas

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