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Andrew Wilson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: dundonald,belfast,co.antrim,northern ireland.
Registered: Jan 2006

posted March 07, 2006 04:57 AM

hi there everyone;i know the gs1200 can record from dvds etc but is it possible to record stereo sound from dvd features to super8mm digests?.it doesnt sound like it to me because of the amount of cutting.i just thought i would ask other members of the forum.cheers andy.

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Rob Young.
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Cheshire, U.K.
Registered: Dec 2003

posted March 07, 2006 05:15 AM

Hi, Andrew.

I recall other members of the forum describing re-recording digests using a number of different methods, some by painstakingly re-recording each scene using their projector.

Another method described was to make a rough video copy of the film with a camcorder and then feed it into a computer edit program where you can match up the required sections of sound from the DVD. Then, hopefully, the finished soundtrack will sync up to the original film digest and can be re-recorded back in one run. I'm sure others who know more about this can describe this process better.

Personally, I have had a lot of success by using a Goko sound recording editor. It does require a lot of patience but you can re-record sections at a time from DVD and after you mess with the variable speed on the Goko, you can get the two to run in sync for a few minutes at a time, which is all you need. Also, because the Goko can fade one recording into another, you get quite smooth transitions from one scene to the next. I've done this on this on a couple of films with duff soundtracks or in a foreign langauge. I should say that my Goko is only mono, but I don't see why you can't do this using the stereo Goko.

Using the editor also allows you to run the film back and forth and line it up many times without the wear that it would suffer in the projector.

I have to say that the quality can be stunning (with a good stripe) and I recall reading that the soundheads in the Goko stereo and in fact the same as used in a GS1200.

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Kevin Faulkner
Film God

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From: Essex UK
Registered: Jun 2003

posted March 07, 2006 05:15 AM

Hi Andy, I believe the way forwayd for you is to use some editing sofware on your PC and then make the same cuts as on the digest.
I think this is an area that Jean Marc is well into but yes it can be done.

Kev.

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Rob Young.
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From: Cheshire, U.K.
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posted March 07, 2006 05:23 AM

Kevin, I think you and I posted at exactly the same time there!

Despite the method I've described, I think you are right in that making the soundtrack in a computer sounds like the best way if you have the necessary equipment.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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From: France
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posted March 07, 2006 05:31 AM

Yes, Andy, I have rerecorded many digests (mostly french comedies imported from Germany). I really "master" the method now, it's a lot of fun but it takes time. Not only do you have to edit the pictures but you also have some sound editing to perform as, sometimes, the original editors were putting dialogues on transition shots in order to keep the story flowing.

Have a look at this post.

My next project is to create "ultimate" digests of Star Wars, My Name is Nobody and The Omen, using both US and German reels before creating a stereo soundtrack with the DVD (Actually the LD for Star Wars as this is the original cut). Members of this Forum have redone Star Wars and Omen already, check out the 8mm review section.

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Paul Adsett
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From: USA
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posted March 07, 2006 09:39 AM

I have re-recorded several of the MGM and FOX musical digests using the manual 'Wild Sync'method with my Eumig S938, which has a precision variable speed control. This method is fairly easy on features, but difficult and time consuming with digests. Nevertheless, the resulting high quality tracks can literally transform these old 20 minute mono digests into a true high fidelity stereo theatrical experience.

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Andrew Wilson
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From: dundonald,belfast,co.antrim,northern ireland.
Registered: Jan 2006

posted March 08, 2006 11:05 AM

you lot are all lucky.you have the gear and time to do it.me im still struggling to figue out how the gs1200 works.were would you get the gear from nowdays to pulse/sync anyway?.andy.

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Kevin Faulkner
Film God

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From: Essex UK
Registered: Jun 2003

posted March 12, 2006 08:40 AM

Andy, Ebays your best bet. As I said in a private mail keep your eyes on eBay Germany. There tend to be a lot of Elmo bits and bobs turn up on there.

Kev.

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