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Robert Aragon
Master Film Handler

Posts: 264
From: Santa Fe
Registered: Mar 2004

posted March 05, 2007 12:24 PM

For some reason, my gs1200 has trouble erasing the original track from the two new releases...no matter how many times i record a new track....in stereo, of course. The original track is heard beneath. WHY? Any ideas? Anyone else had the same situation? Signed STUMPED with Super 8

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
Film God

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From: France
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posted March 05, 2007 12:25 PM

Robert, I rerecorded both with the GS and didn't notice any problem. Could this be the paste stripe's fault?

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Robert Aragon
Master Film Handler

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From: Santa Fe
Registered: Mar 2004

posted March 05, 2007 12:35 PM

I think so Jean-Marc, i have had to trouble with ANY other piece of film....I may be sending these out to be recorded for me... but, simply stumps me

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Gary Crawford
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Manassas, VA. USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted March 05, 2007 12:36 PM

I used to have this problem crop up every so often in radio stations using reel to reel tape. The erase heads were dirty and not erasing all of it. Also..there could be electronic problems. Bias...or voltage going to the record/erase heads inadequate. Heads on your machine....OR on the machine that recorded the tracks orginally could be out of proper alignment...my guess would be the original recording device being out of alignment since you have no trouble recording over the old tracks. Now here is one way to fix it. Find an old time reel to reel or cassette tape eraser...run those suckers on that and all vestiges of signal should be gone and ready for you to record anew.

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

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From: Long Island, NY, USA
Registered: Jun 2003

posted March 05, 2007 02:02 PM

Could this be an explanation of why the level is so low on my print of "Madagascar Penguins"? The sound is actually OK, but I have to turn the volume way up to really hear it. Then, if I forget to turn it down before running the next film the sound is deafening!

Maybe if the recording was aligned under my playback heads better, the signal would be stronger.

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John Clancy
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1954
From: Cornwall
Registered: Jun 2003

posted March 06, 2007 07:55 AM

In my experience of re-recording the cause of a bad result will more often that not be the stripe. It varies from run to run due to the nature in which it is mixed and applied. It is possible sometimes to get better results on other projectors. On occasion I've obtained satisfactory results on the Chinon SS-1200 when none of my GS's can get anything worthwhile. So give a different make of machine a go and see what happens.

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Lee Mannering
Film God

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From: The Projection Box
Registered: Nov 2006

posted March 06, 2007 03:34 PM

I agree with our kid. Its all to do with Oxide type (mix) and bios.

Updated: It may also be in part due to head pressure pads perhaps? If these are light due to the spung mech weakening with age maybe the film is not getting the pressure down to head. Also, if the stripe is thinner this would also affect perhaps. Just a thought.

[ March 08, 2007, 12:24 PM: Message edited by: Lee Mannering ]

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Joe Taffis
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1592
From: United States
Registered: Jun 2003

posted March 06, 2007 03:54 PM

Robert, I have a bulk tape eraser bought from Radio Shack way back when. It's a handheld device you plug in, press and hold in a button, and make circular motions while holding it against the reel. I originally bought it to use on open reel audio tapes, but also used it to erase magnetic soundtracks on movie film. Don't know if they're still available, but they work. [Smile]

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