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Eric Baucher
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posted August 25, 2007 06:35 PM

who made the best lens compatible with an ST1200HD? which bracket should I get? other than Derann who made prints available? I remember seeing some universal 8 400 footers....how many were there? any info and advice would be helpful thanks!

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted August 25, 2007 11:31 PM

Eric,

Scope versions of certain Universal 8, Ken Films and Columbia prints were released by Cinevision. Some of the titles:

Airport
Airport 75
Ben Hur (3x400')
Born Free
The Car
Jaws 2
Midway
Rooster Cogburn
Star Wars (2nd digest)
Swashbuckler
Tom & Jerry cartoons
Two Minute Warning

Although Cinevision reduced the frame in the correct 2.35:1 ratio, many of their prints were on the soft side.

Doug

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted August 26, 2007 01:54 AM

Eric, the best scope lens is the ELMOSCOPE 2, it's a rebadged KOWA 16H (sometimes called KOWA 8Z). For a bracket, the one sold by Wittner is great.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted August 26, 2007 05:11 AM

I'm 100% with the Elmoscope 2 (Kowa 8Z / 16H) Superb optics.

Kev.

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Eric Baucher
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posted August 26, 2007 07:32 PM

thanks for the info, but Doug saying most of the prints are soft concerns me, I thought they would be just as sharp as any other print. I do have a few Ken films that arent very sharp at all, or at least not compared to the castle ones I have. I thought that sscop prints would be manufactured to a higher standard. But Ihave never actually viewed a scope print in super 8 yet, it just seems that it would be fun.

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Osi Osgood
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posted August 26, 2007 10:40 PM

Well, most scope prints are quite nice, but it all depends on the company putting it out.

Any Derann scope prints are bound to be outstanding, (wait until you get Alien ... Poltergeist or the Original STAR WARS on super 8 scope...magnificent!!

The Universal scope prints can vary, but as a rule, they look much better than the flat prints of the same era.

Cinevision, along with the Tom and Jerry's, released some of the late 50's Droopy cartoons in scope, as well as the Tex Avery Classic, "Cats Meow". Cinevision released the even more rare Mr. Magoo scope cartoons from the 50's and these are not ANYWHERE in any other format. I have one of them, and it's a very nice print, (the original magoo was quite funny).

There are also nice scope rarities, like the original almost ten minute scope trailer for "Close Encounters of the Third kind", which has interviews with Speilberg and Dreyfuss.

Derann also released a few of the original Donald Ducks in scope, (VERY SHARP prints that put 16MM to shame, and thats NO joke.) as well as other one shot scopes, such as "Toot Whistle, Plunk and Boom."

Derann (especially) has done a splendid job of releasing nearly every decent sci-fi feature in thier original scope. i can't remember all of them, but others were ...

The Fog (original)
Halloween (original)

Others like

Logans Run

Lots of them,

... not too mention TONS of excellent scope trailers!!

hope that helps

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Gary Crawford
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posted August 27, 2007 08:27 AM

Yes...a lot of the scope stuff from the 70's is just not as sharp as what's being put out today. Osi mentioned the Donald Duck scope cartoons from Derann....and he's right...they are better and sharper than 16mm. I can personally also vouch for features, The Fog, Dracula, Prince of Darkness, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice and especially Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Just like watching 35mm. sharp as a tack and perfect color values.

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted August 27, 2007 09:52 AM

Eric,

I love projecting scope, and I'm glad that the Cinevision titles are out there, even if they're not the sharpest of prints. Of course, it all depends how large your projected image is. Of the bunch, "Jaws 2" is the best quality and a super cutdown.

Doug

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Joerg Polzfusz
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posted August 27, 2007 10:12 AM

Some more holders/brackets:
http://www.ffr-film.de/eng-anamorphotenhalter-.html
http://www.srb-griturn.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=754

...of course there are also the three versions of the "Iscomorphot (S)8/2x":
a) as "Iscorama Set" including a holder that should work with all Super8-projectors where the lens isn't "hidden" somewhere inside the projector (= should work on a ST1200HD)
b) in combination with the Isco-projection-lens Kiptaron 1.3/20mm with an integrated holder for the anamorphot (with the Kiptaron being too large to be used in a Bauer T610) (= I haven't got a clue if this works in a ST1200HD)
c) with a special lens holder-socket for the Beaulieu 708 (= this version shouldn't work on a ST1200HD)

Jörg

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted August 27, 2007 10:27 AM

Eric, Doug was referring to the Cinevision prints with his comments about sharpness. I agree with him, some of their stuff was soft.

If you want sharp scope then look at some of Derann's titles. Some are outstanding.
I think that probably the best I have are Supergirl and Flash Gordon. I'm sure I could add to that list if I were to view some of my other features. The 600ft and 2 x 600ft series are also outstanding. It all depends on the origination and how they were printed as to the final quality. Derann managed to get that top notch quality on so many of their releases as they had good origination to work with. I also think that some of their earlier releases were printed by Rank Film Labs before they closed down.

Having a decent scope lens and setting it up correctly also goes a long way to giving the results you want. Sloppy setting up of the optics will give an image with in a lot of cases a soft image or distortion.

Kev.

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Eric Baucher
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posted August 29, 2007 08:31 PM

what about this lens?

have any of you used this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Singer-16-D-16D-Anamorphic-Lens-lmc769_W0QQitemZ120100018725QQihZ002QQcategoryZ48556QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

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Steve Klare
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posted August 29, 2007 08:44 PM

It looks like the Sankor lens that I use for 'scope, except the seller wants more than 5 times what I paid for it. I am happy with it, but not $249 happy.

(My lens was once used by the Royal Navy. If I could find some Gilbert and Sullivan in Super-8 'scope it would be perfect!)

Here's some useful info:

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/lavender/569/anamorphic.html

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