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Osi Osgood
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posted May 03, 2008 06:41 PM
I have recently recieved a print of "Shout at the Devil" from Steve Osbourne, knowing ahead of time that the print has fade, but upon perusing the color closely, the actual colors are not faded and if so, barely.
This was the early to mid-seventies eastman stock that was very good. This type of film stock tended to fade rather slowly, and very evenly, and not like the later eastman stock that would immediately go pink and you'd lose a whole color spectrum, (usually the blue or green layer).
I noted that the only fade on it was not due to color layers, but the actual celluloid itself. In the sprocket holes area, it's a dull light yellow.
My question is, John (and all others interested)
would there be a way to rejuvinate not the color layers, but the actual celluloid itself, or are they inseperable.
Bear in mind, that this is not a question of restoring color layers, but restoring the actual celluloid, can it be made clear again? If so, then the color that is actually there, will look quite good again.
-------------------- "All these moments will be lost in time, just like ... tears, in the rain. "
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Osi Osgood
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posted May 03, 2008 08:51 PM
Hey John!
It does seem to be slightly cloudy, but that may be due to the slight yellowing of the print in general. What I was talking about is that though the print does have I'd say, at least 85 per cent color, it has faded evenly, not leaving any one spectrum over powering.
... but that slight color change appear to be more due to the film itself getting a slight "cast" to it, (that's all I can think of to call it). It is notable in the non-image parts of the film, (sprocket area), where a brand new sparkling print will be a lovely crystal clear, this area has a slight pale yellowing.
Does that help?
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Osi Osgood
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posted May 04, 2008 01:27 PM
I was referring to the earlier 30's 40's and 50's stock, Jan.
That's the interesting thing about this earlier eastman stock, it's not like the later stock where your loosing a whole layer rather quickly, (my print of "Gorky park", optical super 8, went pinkish very quickly, shockingly quick, considering the original film cam out in 82 or 83!).
No, this earlier eastman film stock kept the whole range of colors quite well. I have an optical print of "Point Blank" (Lee Marvin, 67) that was manufactured way back when the film came out, (probably in either the first year of optical super 8 features or the second), and yet, it still has decent color, but there is just a slight fade of all the colors, and yet, the print is now 41 years old.)
Shout at the Devil is a good 30 plus years old, and actually faring a little less than Point Blank, but the image just has a slight reddishness, but not much, all the colors are just about fully registering, just faded on the same level; nice browns, yellows, deep reds, (lovely flower in one scene) and slightly fading greens.
It's just curious to me, as, I would love to actually, "re-wash" (?) the print to renew the actual celluloid itself,to get rid of the slight yellowing to the "base" film itself (?) without touching the dye levels. maybe that is what I have been trying to say all along.
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Osi Osgood
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posted May 04, 2008 07:37 PM
Hey I only paid 25.00 dollars, american, for the print, and I've already recouped the cost, so no complaints here.
The neat thing about it, is that it's a much longer cut of the film than the edited feature on magnetic sound super 8, which runs about 90 minutes, this one runs very close to 2 hours, perhaps one hour 55 minutes, so it's a much longer cut, much more enjoyable!
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