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Melvin England
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 - posted October 11, 2016 01:38 PM      Profile for Melvin England     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am in a dilemma as to whether to ditch my plastic film containers in favour of the cardboard ones. What is your opinion?

Certainly plastic containers are MUCH stronger, more robust and must last longer. They are,however,much thicker,a bit cumbersome and much heavier than the cardboard ones which, when one has quite a few films, can be a strain on the shelving.

Cardboard ones,however, are lighter,cheaper, are made of very good quality cardboard (at least the ones from CHC are),more can be stored on the same shelf space and can be written on far easier. Okay, I agree that they can get damaged easier, but, hey... we are collectors..... we look after our things..... we don't allow them to get damaged and, at the end of the day.......they do the job!

Your responses please Ladies and Gentlemen......

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted October 11, 2016 03:04 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
I like card boxes for Super 8mm films Melvin.
I also use Bonum and Grasso library boxes but they do soon become very heavy indeed as a collection builds.
If you stick some laminated art onto the single card boxes either by themselves or when bonded together, I find they are more than strong enough and durable enough for Super 8mm films up to 1200ft in reel size.

The secret is to make sure you obtain decent boxes to begin with of a good thickness of card.

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Tom Photiou
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 - posted October 11, 2016 03:04 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well Melvin, i always toy with which one is best, films stored in good quality plastic cans appear,(for us), to be less prone to any mould, where as card boxes, though preferred, (again by us), appear to attract any moisture. Our problem is that we have a dedicated room in the lower ground, well, its lower ground at the front but ground level at the rear if you get my meaning, so while i constantly clean the room, air it with the door wide open and in the winter it is centrally heated. four times i year a take all the films off the shelf's and wipe them over with a cotton cloth to keep any yuck at bay.
If we look at some of the card boxes, (the ones i have not covered in any clear plastic), some of them have that mould ring on them and then i have to replace them.
Some of the films boxes i have covered in plastic now have some wrinkles which has peed me off no end as they look so good when there done.
So, if i could get a plastic replacement for all my reels i think i would, but i agree the card ones are lighter and we can get a lot more on the shelf. [Wink]
over 35 years of collecting this mould thing has only reared its head in the last 3/5 years & only very little, since the twat next door changed his open garage to a large living room. Not sure how that would effect us but it appears to have done so in a minor way in this room. Some of our expensive features are now in my bedroom cupboard for extra protection.
No i dont take them to bed. [Big Grin]

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted October 11, 2016 03:25 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
I hope your neighbour isn't a forum member here Tom! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Wink]

Maybe a dehumidifier would help your cause nowadays Tom?

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Tom Photiou
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 - posted October 11, 2016 03:41 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
we are thinking that Andy, i know you have to be careful using these to. Hugh did say some time ago if used too often they can pull moisture from the walls which can cause other problems. much more serious to. But the odd one off use may make big improvements. [Wink]

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted October 11, 2016 03:46 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
I am sure it will Tom.
Your property was probably better ventilated when your neighbours adjacent room was a garage.

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Paul Adsett
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 - posted October 11, 2016 08:54 PM      Profile for Paul Adsett     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
About 2 years ago I had the opportunity of helping to sell off a large collection of super 8mm films from a house in Florida. What I found was that nearly all the films stored in cardboard boxes were fine, but a lot of the films stored in tight fitting metal cans and tight fitting plastic cans smelled of vinegar and had to be thrown out. Many of my 400ft digests stored in their original tight fitting Ken clamshell plastic cases are starting to smell of vinegar. It seems that stored film needs to be able to breathe, and the cracks and permeability of cardboard containers seems to be better for the longevity of the film.
Having said that, I have many MGM musical features stored in Bonum book style plastic cases for 25 tears that are fine.

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted October 11, 2016 11:36 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
The beauty of the Bonum plastic storage cases is that they contained a preservation capsule within the case.
If the capsule is missing then at least the case will have a very small hole within it to allow the contents to breathe a little.

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Joe Taffis
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 - posted October 12, 2016 09:53 AM      Profile for Joe Taffis   Email Joe Taffis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I use cardboard boxes, and plastic cases like the Bonums that have vents, especially for my color prints. I've even drilled a few small air holes in some of the solid ones...
I also like the "archival" plastic cans that have the slightly raised grooves inside to allow for air circulation around the entire reel...

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Joe Caruso
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 - posted October 12, 2016 12:32 PM      Profile for Joe Caruso     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Experimenting with baking soda for VS, I have found that cardboard is the better alternative than metal, as the tin alloys eventually start to 'invade' the celluloid causing a slow deterioration - 99% of my collection are either in the original light-cardboard boxes or white boxes, as most-provided by Steve Osborne - Always maintain a moderate temperature from 69-72, and never wind the film tightly - This I feel accelerates any smell - Of course, this is only my pedestrian approach to the situation - There are collectors who have films on metal cans/reels all the while with no difficulty, and that goes for 16mm collectors as well - It depends on what you do as an individual to maintain your items, same with emphrema, toys and recordings - Though I've never heard of any paper, toy or record with VS - It is simply age and storage - Shorty

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Will Trenfield
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 - posted October 12, 2016 04:35 PM      Profile for Will Trenfield   Email Will Trenfield   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Interesting. Most of my films are family ones in plastic boxes which seem airtight. I've bought amateur home movies off eBay cheaply, mainly for the plastic cases. Several purchases had what appeared to be sheets of tissue paper inside the cans. Would this be anything to do with it?

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Joe Caruso
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Tissue absorbs a little of the acidity, that is why evntually it will begin to turn slightly brown - Airtight containers aren't a good idea - Cardboard boxes allow the film or item to have some circulation - Shorty

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Will Trenfield
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 - posted October 12, 2016 05:35 PM      Profile for Will Trenfield   Email Will Trenfield   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks. I wonder if something more absorbent like paper kitchen towel would be better? Would opening plastic cases at regular intervals be beneficial?

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Joe Caruso
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 - posted October 13, 2016 02:48 PM      Profile for Joe Caruso     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Of course, opening plastic cases helps - Better you should obtain cardboard boxes, these are more conducive to good film keeping - Kitchen-Towel paper, you'd have to cut them into 5" X 5" and place them in the boxes with your film between - Tissues first - Baking soda does help, still working on the experimental process - Shorty

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