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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted December 02, 2009 11:39 PM

Can anybody guess what is the original title for the following synopsis of TJ episode:

quote:
Tom is fighting with Jerry and the house maid calls another cat (A Red Cat, he does look like a devil). This red cat becomes the enemy of Tom & Jerry. Therefore the two now team up to fight the red cat.

To maek you a better description, below are the screen shots of the said episode:

Whoever can give me a right title, there will be a prize from Derann (ha..ha.a... just kidding).

Please help me.

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Larry Arpin
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posted December 03, 2009 12:20 AM

It is 'Old Rockin' Chair Tom'.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted December 03, 2009 08:30 PM

Hi Larry,

You are right, you are an expert of TJ.

I have checked on you tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjwFTHqIhzg

it is exactly what I have now on super 8mm.

This is the same frame from youtube:

Now my question how come 'Old Rockin' Chair Tom' never seen on Walton, Red Fox or Ken/MGM releases? (or maybe also Derann). It is only available from FO release.

And I also noticed some FO releases are not in the above companies' .

Can you guess what is the reason?

cheers

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Osi Osgood
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posted December 03, 2009 10:12 PM

It can't be because of the "Mammy" character, as many of my Tom and Jerry Super 8 prints have the Mammy, (though some of them have the "irish housemaid" character that they did for re-releases of the Tom and Jerry's in our "politically Correct" age.)

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted December 04, 2009 09:04 AM

quote:
It can't be because of the "Mammy" character

Osi, I don't get it what did you mean.

Did you say because of the "Mammy" character therefore US and UK did not release some episodes? Could you explain more regarding this?

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Stewart John Boyle
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posted December 04, 2009 11:09 AM

Hi Winbert,
Here in the UK anything which might be considered remotely offensive to Ethnic Minority`s is quickly withdrawn and never released again. Hence all the Tom & Jerry cartoons featuring "Mammy" are not allowed to be aired or released on DVD etc..

Regards
Stewart.

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Joerg Polzfusz
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posted December 04, 2009 11:29 AM

Hi Winbert,

it is explained/discussed on various websites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_and_Jerry#Controversy
http://naysue.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/tom-jerry-mammy-two-shoes/
http://www.tv.com/tom-and-jerry/what-is-so-racist-about-mammy-two-shoes/topic/9660-214248/msgs.html
http://www.racialicious.com/2007/03/27/mammy-two-shoes/
Etc. pp.

Jörg

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Larry Arpin
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posted December 04, 2009 12:01 PM

From Derann's catalog this is still available. Unfortunately, all of the DVD's, including Englands, are watered down versions with voice over replacements, not the original voice of Mammy-two-shoes. The only original versions are on laserdisc. And even 2 of the cartoons are altered, SATURDAY EVENING PUSS & HIS MOUSE FRIDAY, SAT EVE PUSS has a teenager in place of Mammy & MOUSE FRI eliminates the native dialouge. I only have the first 2 DVDs from UK and I was greatly diappointed when first seeing these.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted December 04, 2009 03:15 PM

quote:
might be considered remotely offensive to Ethnic Minority`s is quickly withdrawn

Hi Stewart, thanks. I just knew about this. BTW "His Mouse Friday" is one of the TJ (only from Walton) most often seen on Ebay, hence was most popular release. While I consider this is the most offensive story.

Larry, do you know how many TJ episodes which are not released by either Walton, Ken/MGM or Red Fox but available from Derann.

I have also received another episode from FO which is not available from 3 companies above.

It is "The A-Tom-inable Snowman". Is it available from Derann?

BTW, look at the same frames taken from re-release

and

the color spectrum is different. Do you think that because my print has faded (which is unlikely, because it is on AGFA) or when it was re-released, the creator did re-coloring ?

cheers,

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