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Luis Caramelo
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From: Funchal
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posted September 10, 2012 11:52 AM

hi! fellas,i would like to read some opinions about black and whites movies printedin color stock...

regards:
luis caramelo

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Winbert Hutahaean
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
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posted September 10, 2012 12:03 PM

It won't good because it will have color tint, eg greenish, bluish, brownish etc

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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted September 10, 2012 12:24 PM

It's better than having no black and white movies at all.

Later on as volume shrank printing everything on color was a cost cutting measure. It was either switch black and white to color or print color films only.

-but,

Everything else being equal a B&W film on B&W stock would be my first choice.

I have quite a few old B&W prints that have become R&W (red and white) from this compromise.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted September 10, 2012 12:29 PM

Luis further good readings you can find here:

3 Stooges B/W in color print, what is this?

DCR print quality

(ps: DCR released many B/W films on color stock)

cheers,

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Bill Brandenstein
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posted September 10, 2012 12:36 PM

I finally sold off a R&W print last year, because between the red color and poor pre-print and dupey condition, I thought I'd never use it again.

The only other example I have is a newsreel from Derann printed on LPP, so it won't ever develop that issue, and it has such little tint nobody will ever think twice of it. Definitely a keeper.

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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted September 10, 2012 12:56 PM

I have a later Derann "Steamboat Willy" that I bought new that has the tiniest hint of blue to it.

-then again if it wasn't for this I probably wouldn't have "Steamboat Willie" at all...

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
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posted September 10, 2012 01:57 PM

As you rightly say Steve,if not for the colour print,then no print
at all.I have a couple of B/W features on colour stock,and quite
happily accept them as a tinted print.Remember the photo
annuals that had various photographs that had blue or green
tints,I don't recall anyone passing comment that the pictures
had a tint to them.The drawback is that sometimes details can
be lost in darker scenes or if the print gets a mark,it's then in
colour!

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Winbert Hutahaean
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From: Nouméa, New Caledonia
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posted September 10, 2012 02:11 PM

BTW, I am now curios to know how did they make for film that was originally shot by both B/W and Color such as "That's Entertainment" and "Wizard of Oz".

Did they use two kind of stock when releasing them, both for domestic use and cinema purposes?

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Graham Sinden
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From: Kent, UK
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posted September 10, 2012 03:35 PM

Not sure about the cinema prints Winbert, but my super 8 copy of TE2 has a blue tint on the b/w scenes.

Graham S

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Hugh Thompson Scott
Film God

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From: Gt. Clifton,Cumbria,England
Registered: Jan 2012

posted September 10, 2012 04:16 PM

Incidentaly.someone in Winbert's thread on DCR mentioned that
they had a print of "In Which We Serve", which was actually a
Movieland release and not DCR.Regarding colour features from
Dave West,his "Thirty Nine Steps" is a beautiful print, I understand
he also did the film "Dance Little Lady" in colour.

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Tom Photiou
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From: Plymouth U.K
Registered: Dec 2003

posted September 10, 2012 04:43 PM

one film i wish i had bought on super 8 in scope was the elephant man, i understand all prints of this film were printed on colour stock. I do have a couple of b/w films on colour stock but so far so good, no fade. I to, always try and buy b/w films on b/w stock where possible.
The elephant man never seems to pop up these days. i didnt realise how rare this title would be as i think it was availible for a good number of years. [Wink]

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted September 10, 2012 05:17 PM

Don't worry Tom,if there's one thing I've learned in this hobby is
that films lie low for a time,then suddenly like buses,two come
at once.I'm still keeping a look out for your "Rebels on the Loose"
and sooner or later it'll be there.

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Yanis Tzortzis
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From: Greece
Registered: Aug 2005

posted September 10, 2012 06:28 PM

.....speaking historically, were the first movies NOT black & white
but rather with a tint? That's what I had read somewhere quite awhile ago; is it true?

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Paul Adsett
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From: USA
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posted September 10, 2012 06:46 PM

I have seen plenty of really hideous black and white super 8mm prints on black and white film stock. Usually, such prints are not black and white at all, but more like GREY AND WHITE, with terrible definition and washed out highlights. At least Black and white prints on color stock usually have great contrast, with deep rich 'Blacks', and excellent resolution. But it is very hard for the labs to get a true black, usually there is a bluish, greenish, or redish cast to the image. But, I do have one black and white on color stock print from Derann called The Engine Driver and the blacks are perfect.
In general though, black and white on black and white stock, done properly, as in many of the Blackhawk prints, is unbeatable - and you know they will last forever!

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Bill Phelps
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posted September 10, 2012 07:08 PM

Tom...see the thread here on the forum (Elephant Man question)

THE ELEPHANT MAN scope feature was printed on both color and B&W stock. Within the last year I have seen 2 prints for sale but was unable to buy at the time. This is one film I would love to have. I have the scope trailer and it is on color stock and it does have a blue tint.

Bill [Smile]

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