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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted June 20, 2012 02:12 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't collect 16mm, and never will (too heavy and take up more space). But just checking on Ebay that many 16mm sellers put starting price $29.99 to $49.99 for a full feature and yet no takers.

The movies were being offered not a B rated ones, but some were with well-known actors. Only those film printed on IB Tech or LPP were sold. Still some TV episodes were not sold for less than $50 although on LPP.

I am sure that a full feature on 8mm even B rated can be easily go around $25. While a full feature with well-known actors can go for more than $50.

Is this to say that 8mm hold price better than 16mm? it is strange huh?, while 16mm definitely has higher resolution than 8mm, it is sold cheaper.

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Steven Sigel
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 - posted June 20, 2012 02:24 PM      Profile for Steven Sigel   Email Steven Sigel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I haven't seen what you are talking about at all - I'm still selling lots of 16mm. Certainly red prints, or prints in bad shape dont sell for a lot, but nice prints of good titles still sell just fine...

BTW - don't judge by the listed price, you need to see the final sale price.

Also - I think some sellers have no idea what they are selling, or list things with no-returns which scares buyers away

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted June 20, 2012 02:43 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think what has happened over the last year is that people are often asking - and sometimes getting - more for what would generally be considered good, sought-after material on Super 8. I know of an instance in which a dealer was saying late last year that he's willing to offer more for 8mm films than he would have done a while back. I'd imagine that prices charged/paid for 16mm over the last year have pretty much remained the same, so if that's the case, the value of 8mm in comparison to 16mm has risen, even if there's no decline in the value of 16mm.

The only explanation I can offer is that the end of Derann has caused a greater awareness that the best material on 8mm will become increasingly hard to find and the vast majority of 8mm releases will never be printed again. Even though a lot of collectors never or rarely bought new releases from Derann, it must have seemed reassuring that they could at least potentially order a print of a substantial number of quality films released over a long period.

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Steven Sigel
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 - posted June 20, 2012 03:06 PM      Profile for Steven Sigel   Email Steven Sigel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Adrian makes a good point -- it used to be that you would expect to pay less for a used print of, say, Die Hard, because you could get a brand new Derann print for £375... But now, you can't get a new print anymore, so the price for used prints is going to go up and often now will exceed what new prints used to cost because there is now a limited supply...

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted June 20, 2012 03:38 PM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes Adrian's is a good point,but there's also the case where a
saturation point is reached,by that I mean that people will only
pay up to a certain level.Even with the realisation that it may be
their only chance of obtaining a certain film,if they think it's over
priced,it won't sell."Die Hard" used as an example,I have a print
myself,but this film is getting on now,and it's S/8 digging it's own
grave,because not many people are going to part with serious
money for a film that can be got quite cheap on dvd and shown
on a big screen.I suspect there are even people out there that
purchase a film and lock it away with the idea it will gain in
value,to a point this may be true,but if nobody wants it,then
that's dead money.I would think it could be true of the "Star
Wars" brigade,some are very expensive prints,but this again is
a very old film,everybody's seen it,so someone buying it as an
investment just might be disappointed in a few years time.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted June 20, 2012 03:58 PM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Steven, I did check on completed list so, here some for example (randomly checked):

16MM FEATURE JUNGLE BOOK 1942 SABU

and

16MM FEATURE SOLDIER OF FORTUNE 1955 CLARK-GABLE & SUSAN-HAYWARD

I know they are faded, sold for $16 and $20. I believe for the same title in the same faded condition on 8mm will go around $25 to $35 (for Clark Gable).

16MM FEATURE SCROOGE 1935 SIR SEYMOUR HICKS

Good quality of `SCROOGE` sold for $49, something that I am pretty sure for the same title on 8mm will be around $75 for this popular film.

A short on LPP:

16mm THE SEVEN-WISHES OF JOANNA PEABODY (LPP-MINT)

sold for $14!!, something people will buy for quite high price if it is on super 8mm (I guess 8mm collectors are willing to pay for $35).

And this is a very good example:

16mm Star Trek "Man Trap" sold for $99, while only few week before the very same title, same episode and same condition was sold for few cents different.

So I am not talking about Derann print but just the usual titles.

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Joe Balitzki
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 - posted June 20, 2012 10:33 PM      Profile for Joe Balitzki   Email Joe Balitzki   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Do you always obsess so much over the price of prints? [Roll Eyes] Once again, its all about supply and demand. There were far more prints struck in 16mm than there ever was in 8mm. Since the quantity of choice 8mm titles is lower, the price is climbing. Premium titles in both formats will always fetch high prices as long as they are in good condition.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted June 21, 2012 03:50 AM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
Strange as it may seem,I prefer titles on 16mm as opposed to
8mm,probably due to the better picture.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted June 21, 2012 08:59 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Once again, its all about supply and demand.
Joe, it is partially right, if we are talking about the economic matters.

But this is about collectable items, which there is another variable we should think of.

Let us see in vinyl collecting hobby (as many of us here also collecting).

Between 1970-1980 there were more vinyl pressed than cassette. People listened to vinyls at home and only use cassette in the car. Hence, today obviously more vinyls in the market than cassette.

Therefore:

Vinyl ---> high supply
cassette ----> low supply

while on the other hand in terms of sound quality vinyl is better than cassette. In parallelism to 16mm vs 8mm, 16mm is better than 8mm.

But let's randomly take a popular album during that time, for example Phil Collins "Face Value".

You can struggle to sell that album if it is on cassette even for 50 cents, but can easily let the same album go for $1 if it is on vinyl.

This is the opposite with the samples I took above from Ebay that 8mm sell better than 16mm for the same title and same condition.

To sum up, in collectable scene, the theory of supply and demand does not work precisely as is in economic matters.

Once again, I am not talking about premium titles, just the usual titles, because premium titles will sell at good price no matter 16mm or 8mm.

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