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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted July 23, 2012 10:56 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I know this has occasionally been mentioned but I failed to find anything via a search. I know people have differing views but I once saw a filter used on a faded print at the BFCC and I think it improved the look of it. Does anyone use any sort of readily available filter that they can recommend?

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Allan Broadfield
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 - posted July 24, 2012 02:04 AM      Profile for Allan Broadfield   Author's Homepage   Email Allan Broadfield   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Having worked in the sensitometric control dept of several labs, I had access to colour correction filters both for printing and filming, and found limited success in correcting my faded prints. When used in the lab this was called subtractive printing, which was rightly named, as it reduced the amount of light dramatically. Using in projection the light loss was so marked that any success in correcting the colour was mostly lost.
Would be interested also in any suggestions

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted July 24, 2012 03:39 AM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
I still have some of the professional Gels used in stage and film
work and find them very effectivein rectifying the colour of faded
and red print. Red prints are a problem,but using these filters
does remove the "fire" and make them at least watchable.

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Paul Adsett
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 - posted July 24, 2012 07:03 AM      Profile for Paul Adsett     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have tried using cyan or blue filters when projecting severely faded prints and I found that it essentially turns the print into a black and white picture on the screen.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted July 24, 2012 08:01 AM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
No, the gels I use Paul give very acceptable results,and that is
a light blue and yellow combination that brings back flesh tones
and greens to foliage,the only give away is a green tinge to blue
skies,but small price to pay to get away from washed out colour.
I have seen some prints done on Youtube with a blue filter and
it does look like b/w, I prefer the red print to that.I have used these for a number of years now, and am quite happy with the
results knowing that a faded print can at least look like like
Duocolor,the cheapo answer to Technicolor from Hollywood.

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Douglas Meltzer
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 - posted July 24, 2012 09:25 AM      Profile for Douglas Meltzer   Email Douglas Meltzer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Adrian,

Here's a review of Wittner's Color Rebalance Filter. The comments after the review also have information about filtering faded prints.

Doug

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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 - posted July 24, 2012 09:52 AM      Profile for Hugh Thompson Scott   Email Hugh Thompson Scott       Edit/Delete Post 
Very informative post Doug,but I think I'll stick with my gels, they
give results comparable with Wittners glass and were a lot
cheaper, plus I can mix n' match.

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted July 24, 2012 12:02 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I wouldn't mind finding one of those Wittner filters!

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Christian Bjorgen
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 - posted July 24, 2012 06:05 PM      Profile for Christian Bjorgen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I use a basic blue/cyan filter that I found on eBay, a thin layer of coloured plastic. It's made for B&H 16mm projectors, but fits my ELMOs quite nicely.

I've had variable results, and would love to try a proper gel filter instead.

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Vincent Zabbia
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 - posted July 25, 2012 09:44 AM      Profile for Vincent Zabbia   Author's Homepage   Email Vincent Zabbia   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For me filters are just ok on red 16mm prints, but make the image too dark on super 8 prints...I prefer bright glorious red!

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Osi Osgood
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Glorious Red? [Big Grin] [Confused]

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Adrian Winchester
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 - posted July 25, 2012 06:20 PM      Profile for Adrian Winchester     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Many thanks for all the replies. If someone is just going to own one filter, it must be hard to beat the Wittner, but this looks like it could be a good buy for anyone with very limited funds:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cromatek-Colour-Color-Cyan- C7-C-7-Cokin-NEW-/230820788850?pt=Camera_Filters&hash=item35bdfdba72

Incidentally, regarding mounting, I'd mostly use a filter with a 16mm projector with a scope bracket permanently attached, so I'm thinking in terms of putting some Blu-tac round the edge of the scope bracket!

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