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David Guest
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posted October 27, 2012 03:39 PM

i would like to know if any one has ever had a red print or vinegar smell from the states .as i think that most prints from the states are red. as suppose to prints in the uk titles of film would be good .would be good to see how many prints come in to the uk if possible title and what country they came thanks

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 27, 2012 03:50 PM

Pink, but never red.
Vinegar odour often.
I assume this can be caused by the climate and storage of films in the USA.
It's best to read the ad very carefully to work out if the seller is a true film dealer, or just someone who doesn't really know what they're selling.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted October 27, 2012 05:26 PM

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.as i think that most prints from the states are red.

Not in my experience.

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Bryan Chernick
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posted October 27, 2012 07:39 PM

I live in the US and have experienced red film, vinegar as well as perfectly good film. I think it depends on how it was stored over the years. There are parts of the US that get extremely hot, extremely Cold, humid, dry etc. If someone stored their film in a shed or garage (and I know many people do) it would be exposed to these conditions and cause that type of damage. The UK has a very mild climate so the chances of the film experiencing these extremes is less likely.

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Steve Klare
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posted October 27, 2012 08:00 PM

Personally I've been living in the USA since 1962, and no print I've ever bought in decent shape since 1978 has ever faded red or pink or gone VS while in my posession.

-so it's not the country!

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Jim Schrader
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posted October 27, 2012 10:00 PM

can a print that is with perfect color get vs?

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Michael O'Regan
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posted October 28, 2012 04:19 AM

Colour has nothing to do with VS. The Vinegar smell associated with acetate breakdown is what gives VS it's name. It is related to the basic chemical composition of the stock - even low fade stock such as LPP can eventually succumb to VS though it'll have nice colour. IB Tech prints can have VS with perfect colour.

Mr Guest,

I'm interested. Why would you think that most prints originating in the US are red? It's a pretty broad assumption.

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David Guest
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posted October 28, 2012 04:39 AM

my father was a big collecter of 16mm films over 1000 features and all the time i was i child i never known a red print .but films wernt avaiable like they are now .eg intenet .if you look on ebay uk you only see a few but ebay .com there seems plenty for sale .and 20 years ago you never heard of vinegar prints just was curious if there are more here in the uk or overseas

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Adrian Winchester
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posted October 28, 2012 10:04 AM

When I started collecting in the early 1980s, fading seemed much less of a problem and it was several years before I heard any mention of VS. However, I believe that pre-low fade Eastman takes roughly around 20 years to start fading, so many of the prints in circulation still looked fine. Similarly, VS hadn't really got going.

In terms of my collection, I wouldn't associate America with a greater chance of prints being faded or having VS, and with certain titles, I'd consider it the only source of non-faded prints, as it could be impossible to find any that originate from anywhere else.

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted October 28, 2012 10:12 AM

I would imagine Adrian that the simple reason there are a greater
number of red prints in the USA is because there are more prints
in circulation because of its size in relation to Gt. Britain.The amount of TV Stations in the US that all used 16MM prints,plus
the libraries etc,the ratio against other countries will be greater,
as with their prints with good colour.I have had films from the US
with excellent colour and some not so,the same in the UK.

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Michael O'Regan
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posted October 28, 2012 01:42 PM

quote:
the simple reason there are a greater
number of red prints in the USA is because there are more prints
in circulation because of its size in relation to Gt. Britain.

In a nutshell, Hugh.
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Osi Osgood
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posted October 29, 2012 01:04 PM

Micheal is quite correct.

I have a 35MM 4 and a half minute trailner for "Yellow Submarine:, (that Dino sent me as a gift years ago, and once again, many thanX Dino!), and while it still has absloutely spot on color, it smells like a bottle of vinegar, to the max!

I have heard that there are various ways to deal with this and I should take advatage of them.

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Bill Brandenstein
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posted October 29, 2012 02:33 PM

...and, I have bought faded prints from the U.K.!

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Hugh Thompson Scott
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posted October 29, 2012 02:44 PM

Exactly Bill, the bloody things are everywhere, but I've bought
them knowing that fact, to secure a much wanted print until
a better one turns up.

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