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Vidar Olavesen
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posted April 11, 2013 03:44 AM

I mainly have pink type boxes for my L&H's, but today I got some with green boxes ... Are there any reason for the color difference? Which is newer or better (or are they just the same)?

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Joe Caruso
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posted April 11, 2013 06:08 AM

The olive-green issues from '73 indicated a new pre-print neg for many subjects, quality is good, but varies a bit - The 1st-released pink boxes were of course, prime with top-notch prints from the existing materials available then (quality wasn't THE best, but darn-near as can be had) - By the time we get to the Silver editions of '79, new negs were struck and the product was equal to a fine-grain 16 - Shorty

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Vidar Olavesen
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posted April 11, 2013 07:08 AM

So the pink ones are generally better then ... Thank you Joe, very nice info

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Joe Caruso
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posted April 11, 2013 02:55 PM

Some find the first-released ones okay, soft-focus here and there, then again many don't like the green or silver boxed ones so much - Depends on your taste, sift through and run a few - I can't tell you how many prints I had to return to Blackhawk or find in the ensuing years, until I was satisfied, and that takes alot - I prefer alot of leader (countdwn and all), the complete intros on silents and scored subjects, density has to match with the aspect, so much to go over, then of course the boxes are in my own class of darn-near mint - You kow you are seldom going to find them pristine (I have), but that is another subject for the book - Shorty - Don't get me started on the Chaplins, Our Gang and all else

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Brad Kimball
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posted April 11, 2013 08:59 PM

I agree with the boxes thing, Joe. When I shop EBAY and come up with auction items that have tattered or very worn boxes it just spells out to me that the owner just didn't care enough to keep them in fine condition and that they're simply selling their wares off to make a quick buck on something they don't really give a damn about. Sooo then how good can the print be? A pristine or near mint box, to me, says alot about how it was cared for through the years. I've often repeated purchases of the same titles just to get a box I would be happy with. I do give a nod, however, to people who take precious time to recreate an original box with repro art because this is someone who cares about the presentation of what they're selling and I do appreciate the talent and time that the effort takes.

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Joe Caruso
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posted April 12, 2013 05:36 AM

Using a safety pin, glue, colored 'Sharpies' or 'Flairs', for the most part, stripping a piece of the under-inside of another box (pink, green, etc), can match that pattern to the missing or frayed area exactly - I'll bring two boxes and see if anyone can tell the difference - Often a print is excellent while the box is terrible, then I try and go to work

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted April 12, 2013 05:56 AM

I'll bet I can tell!

I also have scanned a box to cut a piece out of the image for a patch. I have a set of colored markers to touch up the scratched boxes. It's all in the box art.

PatD

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Joe Caruso
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posted April 12, 2013 08:09 AM

No, no scan, I use an original (used) box to set the pattern, then the part of scissors to slowly scrap away the type on a label, careful not to scratch the base of the box, then apply the new label with glue, firmly pressing, then slowly (easily) scrape away the dry excess glue and you have a mysterious box which juxtaposes itself to another original - Oh, I bet you can't tell

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Pasquale DAlessio
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posted April 13, 2013 05:33 AM

Juxtaposes?

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