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Jonathan Trevithick
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posted October 08, 2013 06:25 AM

I have a question regarding Derann's "North by Northwest" release. I have only ever seen it available on 8 x 400ft reels. Yet, I have been thinking about a print for sale and it's on 4 x 600ft and 2 x 400ft reels. I am guessing that at some stage someone has refitted it onto these reels (unless Derann released it on 600ft reels at some stage)? I was wondering if anyone can shed some light on this.

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Ernie Zahn
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posted October 08, 2013 08:31 AM

That sounds like someone may have just migrated the film to diff sizes reels as you suggest.

Do you know what the color is like? If it's still intact then you know it's Derann.
AFAIK Derann was the only one to release a low fade print of this movie in its entirety.

Unless there is an optical print out there.

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Jonathan Trevithick
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posted October 08, 2013 04:10 PM

Hi Ernie.
Red Fox were the first company to release it first length and I would assume they put it out on low fade stock. Derann bought their negatives later. I'm not sure whether to buy this one. I would guess that a 8 x 400ft release now on 600ft reels has involved some splicing work. It's not cheap either (although a lot less than the one that just sold on Ebay UK).

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Ernie Zahn
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posted October 08, 2013 07:45 PM

Hmm I dunno I have some Red Fox and they are certainly not low fade. Not too familiar with their releases overall though.

Splices are a deal breaker though. Not sure how clean they are until you see them.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 09, 2013 03:31 AM

I always assumed Derann put out their features on 600' spools. I bought new from them "Royal Wedding" and "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes", both on 600' and I also bought a part of "Fantasia 2000" from them, also on 600'.

Long (full length) features on 400' spools are a nuisance, having to constantly change the spools, no doubt why a previous owner re-spooled onto 600'.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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posted October 09, 2013 05:10 AM

I have this film too, sure the one I bought came on 400ft spools. I did remount it on to a 2400ft spool. Great film.

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Jonathan Trevithick
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posted October 09, 2013 06:08 AM

Hi David and Maurice,looking at the old Derann site, it certainly was advertised on 400ft reels, as was the Red Fox release earlier.
I love the film too but am not sure how wide I want to open my wallet for this one.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 09, 2013 07:04 AM

Some of the earliest sound projectors only had capacity for 400' spools, I have a superb Porst sound MT2 (Made by Yelco) which can only take 400'.
Perhaps Derann were aware of the limitation by some projectors. It would be interesting to know when they changed to using 600' spools.

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David Ollerearnshaw
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posted October 09, 2013 08:01 AM

My view of why its on 400ft the original neg was from Red Fox and all their titles were 400ft as were Ken Films. I bought "he Dirty Dozen" which came in a 'deluxe case' really a plastic record case for 45rpm records 7inch. It was still on 400ft when Derann sold them.

All my 'Disney' features were on 600ft, but some of the 'Hammer Films' were on 400ft.

Seem to remember that Derek was having trouble getting 400ft spools and moved on to 600ft with a deal he made from Italy.

My "Jason And The Argonauts" was on 600ft

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Adrian Winchester
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posted October 10, 2013 07:50 PM

Derann began releasing features on 600' spools from about 1983 with the 'Silver Screen Collection' films that started with 'Raise the Titanic'. In some cases (e.g. 'Who Dares Wins') some reels had a splice as they could not use negatives that were cut to produce 600' prints. However, in later years, if the master used was assembled in 2 reel units (which is common with 35mm prints), the release was on 400' reels. As David says, if they were reprinting a feature that another company had released on 400' spools, they didn't change it.

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Jonathan Trevithick
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posted October 11, 2013 04:16 AM

Thanks for the information everyone.

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