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Paul Findley
Junior
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From: Borlänge, Sweden
Registered: Feb 2014

posted January 25, 2015 04:51 PM

I've been searching around here for quite a while now, but cannot seem to find any information regarding if it is possible to remove this "wall" here at the very end on this Eumig for a through cleaning. If so, then how do you do it?

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Steve Klare
Film Guy

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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted January 25, 2015 05:25 PM

Hi Paul,

That line you see running across the top edge is actually a seam between a cover and the film guide in back of it. The cover snaps on and can be gently pried open and then removed.

You can (and you should) open it up and clean out anything nasty living in there on a regular basis,

BUT...

There are these tiny half-rollers paired on shafts inside there that once allowed out into the wild will never be seen again. As far as I know there is some alternate dimension filled with trillions of them, all escaped from Eumig 800s!

So you should be very careful dealing with them, maybe gently place the machine on it's (speaker) side and put gravity in your favor.

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Dominique De Bast
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From: Brussels, Belgium
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posted January 25, 2015 07:06 PM

I don't know for that specific model but Eumig half rollers are still available from Bolex Switzerland. However, they are sold at the price of gold.

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Brian Fretwell
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From: London, UK
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posted January 26, 2015 06:48 AM

Yes, they escaped from 710Ds as well. Thankfully when it happened to me Johnsons of Hendon (the UK importer) sent me some for free!!! Those were the old days of real good service. I got just enough to complete the set so have been very careful since.
That picture looks like a different moulding to the 710 and possibly you would need to move the rear sprocket lever that partially covers it down first.

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Jean-Marc Toussaint
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posted January 26, 2015 09:09 AM

As far as I rememner, there are 14 half rollers in there. Best is to open the film path with the projector resting on a large surface covered with material that would prevent the rollers to bounce around - or limit said bouncing (thick bed cover for instance). The large flat surface would also prevent any of the nasty rollers to fall on the floor.

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Paul Findley
Junior
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From: Borlänge, Sweden
Registered: Feb 2014

posted January 26, 2015 04:37 PM

Thank you all for the great replies. I will definitely look more into this as soon as i can, and come back later with the results.

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There are these tiny half-rollers paired on shafts inside there that once allowed out into the wild will never be seen again. As far as I know there is some alternate dimension filled with trillions of them, all escaped from Eumig 800s!

Yes Steve, i know exactly what you are talking about! Recently i was about to give my good old 600D a more in depth cleaning. Despite being very careful, suddenly one of those things where bouncing all over the place! Maybe it was pure dumb luck that i later was able to find it under that kitchen table of mine! In other words i know how careful you must be with those tiny half-rollers!

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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted January 26, 2015 05:35 PM

I think if they cast them as full rollers they'd be much less bouncy and easier to find too.

-something is telling me they were cheaper to cast in halves.

They should put a label on that cover: "Pandora's Box".

-Open it unprepared and you'll be sorry!

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Ken Finch
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Herne Bay, Kent. U.K.
Registered: Oct 2011

posted January 27, 2015 03:17 PM

Hi, I know the feeling, The 810D and the Bolex SPE8E have them and some were lost by a previous owner. Could do with some. Has anyone got any from a scrap Machine. Ken Finch.

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Ken Finch
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From: Herne Bay, Kent. U.K.
Registered: Oct 2011

posted January 27, 2015 03:18 PM

Hi, I know the feeling, The 810D and the Bolex SPE8E have them and some were lost by a previous owner. Could do with some. Has anyone got any from a scrap Machine. Ken Finch.

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Dominique De Bast
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From: Brussels, Belgium
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posted January 27, 2015 04:39 PM

A 3d printer could maybe help for small pièces like that.

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Paul Findley
Junior
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From: Borlänge, Sweden
Registered: Feb 2014

posted January 28, 2015 05:22 PM

There you go, nice and clean!

To be honest it wasn't as dirty as i predicted. And fortunately all of those half-rollers where (and still is) right where they should be. [Wink]

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Steve Klare
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From: Long Island, NY, USA
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posted January 28, 2015 05:41 PM

Jeeze!

-that picture makes me nervous! It's like they're going to come shooting out of the screen at you!

For some reason I haven't got a clue why, my Eumig's film path stays cleaner than my Elmos.

It's a compromise: the path is much harder to access for cleaning, but then again when you do you usually find less to clean out. Depending on your self-discipline it may linger there longer, but we all have to work that out for ourselves!

Kind of interesting: there seem to be two possible paths the film can follow through there. I wonder why?

(You'd think they'd pick one and stick with it!)

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Bill Brandenstein
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From: California
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posted January 30, 2015 09:43 PM

Sigh. Someday I hope I can get ahold of some spare half rollers...

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Brian Fretwell
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From: London, UK
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posted February 01, 2015 07:38 AM

I wonder if these could be 3D scanned and printed.

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Adrian Winchester
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From: Croydon, London, UK
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posted February 01, 2015 10:10 AM

I must admit that despite having owned a few 800 series Eumigs - mostly for limited Std 8 use - the challenges involved have meant I have NEVER thoroughly cleaned the entire film path on any, just the gate area. And I can't recall ever being punished with a scratch, so I'm inclined to agree with Steve's view that they stay relatively clean for some reason. I have made very occasional use of 'Protect-A-Print' leader, which seems better than nothing, but I mean about once every few years, so I'm not causing significant wear.

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