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Tom Photiou
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 - posted September 30, 2015 01:59 PM      Profile for Tom Photiou     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I dont want to drone on but, [Big Grin]
Here is my very last ever request on behalf of Phil at CHC.
If you have read the newest magazine you will see inside the front cover that he has once again called for collectors to try and do an article.
Without boring you all, (this thread title usually gets a max of 6 responses), but on all three forums there are people doing just what he is asking us to do for the pages, every day many of collector in all gauges sit in front of a keyboard and do items on here, so why not do it for the magazine.
Not all readers have a PC so some of the great tips, projector repair guides, projector reviews, film reviews and story's in fact everything would be welcome by many.
With the invention of the PC you dont have to dedicate hours every night, you can do it on a word document and do a few minutes a night and save it bit by bit, there is no excuse.

There is only so many times you can read a film review or how a collector got into collecting, What CHC wants is more meaty items, projector mods or repair guides, its all on here but not in the book. With cheap digital cameras repair and service guides can be photographed in pixel perfect quality.
I will copy this onto the other two forums and promise not to ask again, I will also post Phil on this item so he can see my request on the magazines behalf, that way he will be sure that his message is out loud and clear, however, if in the future Philip stops the mag due to lack of collectors input i will be on to say i told you so, please lets not let that happen. [Wink]
BTW, thank to those who have contributed, [Smile] I received mine today and its great & i like looking forward to it.

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Mark Silvester
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Phil is a "star" and the last of his kind who has the "passion" to put his money where the hobby is...

Good write up Tom

[Smile]

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Tom Photiou
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Thats right Mark, but now it really is time to put in as much effort into the mag as we all do here.

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Andrew Woodcock
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I think there may be all too few unfortunately Tom who are still actively involved in the hobby to bring about many new posts.

You'd like to think from the numbers on here, that the above statement would be incorrect, but I doubt if more than handful will actually respond and use their time to give Phil something both interesting and informative to work with.

I do hope I'm completely wrong on this one though.

Tom, do you know roughly how many of these magazines are printed now and distributed to paying customers by Phil?

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Adrian Winchester
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Phil makes a reference to a readership of over 300 in the new issue.

I supplied an article on "Blackpool's Regeneration" covering the convention and the town, to try and provide something a bit different that might encourage some people to go for the relevant weekend.

[ October 04, 2015, 12:56 AM: Message edited by: Adrian Winchester ]

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Andrew Woodcock
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thanks for that Adrian.

So to 300+ readers, any requests to the type of article of subject matters that you may like to read about?

I have promised Tom I will finally write an article for Phil's magazine as Tom has campaigned completely relentlessly and unselfishly on this one.

He and Phil deserve some payback with this one I feel.
Hopefully I am not on my own with these thoughts.

Any Suggestions on a particular subject matter for an article, will be most gratefully accepted thanks.
[Smile] [Wink]

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Lee Mannering
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Your love of the Beaulieu 8mm projector, experiences and top tips on keeping one going Andrew, perhaps include the various Schneider lenses and effects?

Tom its always been a problem getting volunteers for the mags over the years and its not as though we actually have to put pen to paper these days. Penning a bit of something for a hobby we love is a pleasure and I know I started writing material in the 70s onwards for what its worth.

Have a go folks [Smile]

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Tom Photiou
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Cheer's Lee, (Get on Andrew [Big Grin] [Wink] ),
It is much easier these days as you say. If you use a PC just 10 minutes a night or a week will soon build if your saving it as you go.Even putting digital photos is a doddle now, copy and paste makes life so easy. [Wink]

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Andrew Woodcock
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Thanks Lee and Tom there for the feedback.

I look forward to more suggestions from many other members on here covering a wide range of subject matters on anything at all to do with Super 8mm collecting.

If this is to be a successful venture, we will need plenty of different subject matters and ones others want to read about.
So your views please and ideas surrounding what others would like to submit towards Phil's magazine. [Smile]

I think if I was to pick one of my own, it would be all about my collection of Disney Features and other Disney prints I collect.

These are something I would love to put to print and include just a few screen shots of each and every one of them. Probably would need to be a very large edition though with all of those colour photo's packed in there. [Big Grin] [Wink]

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Tom Photiou
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Full servicing on Bauer and Beaulies?? [Wink]

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Andrew Woodcock
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It's a funny thing to me when I see the words fully serviced regarding projectors and the likes.

It always makes me think of cars and that nonsense tick box exercise that they do for the most part when you take your vehicle into a main dealer for its first 3 years of its life.

Ok so they change your oil and maybe the odd filter. They may even go around measuring your tyre depth and telling you where your fluid levels are at.
They will valet it, spray some nice smelling dashboard surfactant and even give you a free air freshener dangling from your mirror with their logo and telephone number on it. But that's it.

The point here that I'm making is that if you actually dissect what you've actually had done here with your less than 36 month old pride and joy, to actually make the thing run for another year, it amounts to very little.

You can drive off in the sunset, hit the latest developing sink hole somewhere in Manchester and before you know it you've damaged your (newly measured for remaining tread) tyre, buckled your front alloy, destroyed a track rod end or a lower wishbone ball joint and all the polishing they gave your car during the valet was a complete and utter waste of time, money and effort!
You now have far more concerning issues surrounding your pride and joy then you would've ever had if you hadn't bothered going for that "essential" service at 36k miles!

It's pretty much the same with all machines, including our projectors. You can oil them, grease them, change their drive belts...you can even fit them with a new " headlamp ",but all of this is just superficial everyday stuff that we could and probably should be doing ourselves as we go anyway.

The same projector that has just returned from said service engineer can then, just like the car above, develop some catastrophic electro mechanical failure that quite frankly, blows any routine service work it may have just had, completely out of the water.

There really isn't any magic wand that will guarantee that your cinematography piece can survive one day longer than the next man's based on how often it's oiled, greased or indeed how many drive belts you may care to fit.

The secret for the car, projector, washing machine, or indeed any machine, is simply to do all of the things that if it were baby screaming out at you, would make it stop crying.
Sure do all the regular service stuff,even polish it as often as you like, but as and when a fault develops...which even with all of the above routinely carried out, it will!

You then have to use logic, TLC and all of your skills to find the fault, rectify it,ensure nothing but the faulty part or component is disturbed and do all that you can to prevent the same fault reoccurring any time soon by putting everything back just as the designers intended it to go.

If you successfully do all of these things as when required to do so, in accordance with whatever machine requires your particular attention on that particular hour of the day, whatever machine you happen to have your head in that day, will more than likely run very well indeed for a very long time, where that particular fault is concerned. Then await the next one.

One thing you learn when you maintain machinery on almost a daily basis, is that no two are ever the same and no matter how well built originally, or how well you operate it, not too long in the future, something Will go wrong..it's just the nature of the beast unfortunately.

Some more often than others it has to be said! [Wink]

[ October 02, 2015, 03:36 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Lee Mannering
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My late father used to say services are pretty pointless as if anything is wrong a MOT will pick it up. This came to pass with our motor having its first MOT and the helpful chappy said its passed but did you know you have an oil leak? Rushed the car off the main dealer with only 2 days left on the warranty and booked in...
The joys of motoring.

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Andrew Woodcock
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And your late father was bang on there then Lee!
Well apart from fluid levels and oil changes and all the things you are supposed to do on daily basis anyhow.

Might I just add an often frequently overlooked point in projector "servicing".
If you ever happen to read the vast majority of owner handbooks right through to the "care and maintenance" section, typically right at the very end,
The vast vast majority of projectors only expect you and indeed recommend you to, only ever maintain our precious machines with the operator side covers removed.
In other words, never should we as consumers, be having to remove the rear cover to maintain any of our machines.

The things we are recommended to do is
1/ clean the film path, in particular the gate and the magnetic sound head.
2/ clean the lens
3/ change the lamp(s)

That is pretty much it!

All bearings are described as "non serviceable"
No drive belts should ever need changing
No lubrication beyond what the manufacturer gave it at the factory should ever be necessary.

Maybe some older 16mm require a little but generally all 80's and 70's Super 8 machines say the same things in the handbook. Even the better most expensive machines.

In theory they should never need any parts ever changing for the length of the units serviceable life, or so they tell us.

I don't suppose they ever envisioned anyone would still be using one half a century later though!

[ October 03, 2015, 01:40 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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David Guest
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my 1930s rolls Royce is exempt from and mot and tax cheep motoring may bee is weather is nice at blackpool might bring and take a few collectors for a ride down the prom

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Andrew Woodcock
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I do hope more collectors volunteer their help with this one and discuss their intended topics, otherwise Phils magazine additional contributions from collectors is going to be a real damp squib by the looks of things.

Apart from Phil's and Steve Osborne's new releases that come about from time to time, I have no idea how he would even produce the magazine for very long without collectors contributing.

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David Guest
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phils magazine is very good with plenty of cine info with out him there would be no more releases but lots of people pull him to pieces .phil and his wife work very hard running the shop attending film fairs and sorting out new releases .which all take times .I don't know why forum members cant send him a few stories as they put plenty on here .you would all be moaning if he pulled the plug and closed the shop .also projections is also a very good book with plenty of info yet that does get some good articles from dedicated cine people

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Andrew Woodcock
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Very good points raised there and I am pleased to say that on this occasion, I couldn't agree with you more David!

Let's hope plenty more decide to respond to this compassionate worthwhile plea of Tom's very soon.

If you like real film, then why not? confused:

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Brian Fretwell
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Perhaps a reminder when the deadline for articles for the next edition is near on this forum might help people who thinking of writing.

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Tom Photiou
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Right you orrible lot, listen up,
We have all spent hours on this and other forums since i started this post.
so how many of you have also spent ten minutes each of these nights and days starting an article in between your keyboard tapping?. The time you have been on here i know for a fact an article of at least one or two full pages could have also been done?

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Osi Osgood
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I just sent him an article that he has said he'll be happy to put in the magazine! [Smile]

(just to let you know that your post encouraging articles hasn't fallen on deaf ears).

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Andrew Woodcock
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Well done Osi [Smile] [Wink]

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John Hourigan
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Hats off to anyone attempting to put out a publication, but just an observation -- if someone starts a publication without the means by which to actually generate the necessary content, and then puts it back on paying readers to actually produce that content, that doesn't seem to me to be a sustainable model.

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Andrew Woodcock
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It's a good point that you make John, but to fair, even the Derann magazine Film For The Collector at their height of new releases, still relied to some extent on readers own write ups and opinions and letters etc.

Movie Maker and Film Maker Magazines were the same and these were professional released magazines found on the high street.

I think in this day and age given the small amount of new releases and the few dealers that actually exist selling films and equipment, it will need some input from the collectors themselves to have a chance of any longevity.

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Adrian Winchester has just put a topic in the magazine called blackpool regenerated its a very interesting story maybe some one could put it on here ,well done Adrian read it 4 times now

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Tom Photiou
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Thanks to all so far,
On the point of putting the content filling back to the readers, this is a good point but if everyone remembers how edition 1 got great thumbs up from everyone, it was stated more than once by the owner that this was to be "the collectors magazine for the collector". Phil is putting up the costs of producing and printing but the collectors are required to help with it.
Otherwise it will fail.
We all spend many hours on here, just ten minutes a day on a word document saving as you go is only a fraction of the typing time spent on here and other forums. [Wink] (don't get angry I am only saying [Big Grin] )

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