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Terry Sills
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 - posted September 17, 2016 02:19 PM      Profile for Terry Sills     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Couple of questions for those more knowledgeable than I on this machine - How do you remove the gate for cleaning? Also the pilot light bulb has blown. Do you have to replace the whole unit/bulbholder or is it possible to replace just the bulb. It doesn't seem to want to pull out of the holder.

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted September 17, 2016 03:54 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Hello again Terry,

I have never actually seen the 502 model in the flesh so to speak, but it appears to be of the same layout and mechanical make up of other studio class models albeit without the microprocessor of the later models nor stereo facilities of some of the others.

If this is the case, the "gate", is accessible by first removing the sprung moveable pressure plate and then also by removing the lamp and lens to gain even better access for cleaning.

To remove the moveable pressure plate, first remove the lamp house cover by simply pulling it towards yourself to release the plastic clips from the main projector body.
Then turn the main control knob as far anti clockwise as is possible only with the lamp house cover removed.

This places the projector in "service" mode and also gives better access to the magnetic head section for cleaning purposes but also sends the moveable sprung pressure plate the furthest point away from the fixed pressure plate or gate as is possible.

In this position, grab hold of the moveable pressure plate at the lower pivot point and pull towards yourself the entire assembly to release it.

Once removed, the gate area is exposed and can then be cleaned easily with lamp and lens removed.

As for the pilot lamp, it is not uncommon on these machines for the lamp holder cables to be only of exact length to allow the lamp holder to be fitted onto the spade connector base by first removing the screw that holds the spade connector style tab in position.
If the cables have a slightly longer length or are tied anywhere,by allowing a slight bit of slack in the cables, it is then possible to slide the pilot lamp holder away from the tab by sliding it forwards towards yourself before fitting a new push fit pilot lamp.

Hope this helps you here Terry. [Smile]

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Terry Sills
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 - posted September 17, 2016 04:32 PM      Profile for Terry Sills     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I just knew you would be the one to help Andrew. I will have a go at that tomorrow. As for the pilot lamp, it doesn't want to be easily pulled out of the lampholder and I didn't want to force anything in case of causing damage or that I am not doing it the right way. It seems to be stuck fast in there but common sense says that it should simply pull out unless there is a trick to it? But thanks for your input.

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted September 17, 2016 04:55 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
It will come out Terry, it is only a push fit lamp.

It's probably been in there many many years and the bent wires that protrude the base of the lamp glass may have tangled with the lamp holder connections if that makes sense?

Even if you have to damage these wires while removing the old lamp and then clean up the connections within the lamp connector, it all should be fine once you fit a new pilot lamp.

It is much easier to remove these lamps I've found, by first removing the lamp holder away from its fixing tab as described earlier.

These pilot lamps aren't easy to find now and are a fairly high voltage lamp for one so small, but Edwin Van Eck sells them if you're struggling to find a UK supplier.

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Terry Sills
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 - posted September 17, 2016 05:15 PM      Profile for Terry Sills     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks again Andrew. - Do you never sleep😂

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted September 17, 2016 05:21 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Not much at the moment Terry, that's for sure!

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Terry Sills
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 - posted September 18, 2016 07:36 AM      Profile for Terry Sills     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Thanks very much Andrew. Your advise was spot on! I love the way the whole pressure plate assembly is removeable. Managed to remove the bulb after much wiggling. As you said it's just a push fit - but what voltage is it? Surely there must be a supplier in the UK?
I am very impressed with the Bauer 502 - very well designed, high build quality, super quiet in operation, quality Schneider Kreuscnach zoom lens and great quality sound reproduction. Lovely machine.

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David Roberts
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 - posted September 18, 2016 02:42 PM      Profile for David Roberts     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Terry,
I am also a fan of these bauer machines and use a 502 daily.it is my main projector,and as well as the things you say about it,the film path is very well designed and very kind to film.
my reserve machine is a t60 stereo,very similar to the 502.
I know Andrew is a big bauer fan too. I would just add that when cleaning the gate,i don't find a need to remove lamp.

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Terry Sills
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 - posted September 18, 2016 02:49 PM      Profile for Terry Sills     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
David
I agree - no need to remove the lamp, although I did, just to inspect it. Do you know anything about the pilot lamp? I got it out and there is some faint marking on it that looks like 30v 2w.
Is that right and do you know where I can get one?

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted September 18, 2016 03:16 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Hello again Terry, appologies for taking an age to get back to you on this but we are extremely busy at the moment sorry.

The lamp voltage supplied to it is around 25v if memory serves me right (measured).
This would make the lamp rating you are seeing exactly right as I think the lamp runs under rated to maximize the life of the lamp.
It is after all only a pilot lamp.

I have found it really difficult to source in the past here in the UK.
There is one in the Maplins online catalogue that appears entirely correct but if you go to store to actually purchase any, you will find it is physically around a third of the actual size of this one, despite the rating and shape being identical.

You may be able to still obtain one from RS spares, I don't know without trawling their catalogue, but it certainly isn't a common lamp.

I just ordered a few in the end from Edwin for my machines and so far haven't needed to use any luckily.

I'd you'd like one of these for speed,let me know but Edwin's service from the Netherlands is superb and I really didn't wait too long for anything from him to arrive.

As for the removal of the lamp for cleaning the gate, this was simply recommended for such occasions when you feel you'd like to give the entire gate area a thorough clean using a compressed air can as I do occasionally.

In these instances, there is no alternative than to remove lamp and lens to do a decent job without risking damage to either.

[ September 18, 2016, 06:29 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Woodcock ]

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Terry Sills
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Andrew
Thanks for getting back. If you could spare one that would be great. If you could let me know your email I can pay by PayPal. Let me know if that's ok.
Terry

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted September 18, 2016 05:43 PM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
PM me your address Terry.

I have an awful lot on my plate just for the time being these next few days, but if you don't mind waiting a couple of days, I will send you one out in the post.
I should just be able to get one to you quicker than ordering a few online hopefully.

The same goes out to our good friend Tom here for his requirements. [Wink]

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David Roberts
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Terry
it sounds like Andrew has sorted you out re pilot light.
I have never had one blow,so never had to look into this.

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted September 27, 2016 03:36 AM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Lamp has gone in the post today for you Terry.

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Andrew Woodcock
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Sent you a PM Terry surrounding your questions regarding this lamp for these projectors.

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted September 30, 2016 08:57 AM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Hello again Terry,

Hopefully you will now have your incandescent pilot lamp for your T502, but if it continues to be a problem on your machine, this LED alternative I've just found, might prove a better, longer lasting alternative if supplied at 30v or even a tad higher perhaps?
http://www.e-service.co.uk/product/cabinet-part s-components/lamps/miniature-lamps/17090227-10mm-24-30v-dc-t10-wedge-based-led-l

Might need to add a bridge as I cannot from memory, remember if the supply to it is AC or DC, but either way, there is something in the range of these here that would be perfect if a bridge rectifier needed to be fitted in circuit first.

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Terry Sills
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Thanks for that link Andrew. Surely the lamp voltage would come off a transformer tapping so wouldn't that make it DC?
Still haven't received the lamp you sent by the way, but maybe it will arrive Monday - hope so [Smile]

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted October 01, 2016 09:11 AM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
if it's straight from the transformer (I haven't looked into it to be honest as I've never had any issues apart from trying to source a spare lamp in the early days of ownership), it will be an AC supply to it Terry.

I can't understand why you have not yet received the lamp, it was sent days ago along with a family birthday card at the same time. They have had that a few days ago?

Hope it arrives Monday then now Terry.

Ironically, I've just noticed they sell the same one I've sent you on this web site. I got my supply from Edwin Van Eck with a batch of other spare parts I was ordering at the time, but these sell the same incandescent lamps for only a few pence each it turns out.

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