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Phil Murat
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 - posted October 30, 2016 02:56 AM      Profile for Phil Murat   Email Phil Murat   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Goodmorning,

I know many collectors meet fungus problem wich would be fatal if not treated.

Problem is even you dissemble lenses to carry out "gently" cleaning, fungus can be back if you forget 1 spore at least , hiden somewhere......

I just read on a "French" Forum , a member has exposed a big and costy camera lens to power U/V rays for many hours................ Miracle almost all nasty fungus has disappear.

Is there anybody to valid this process?

May be it is also better to combin Heat (60°C max) with power U/V !!!

Also, "Xenon" lights produce lot of U/V rays

Phil

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted October 30, 2016 04:07 AM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Maybe send one to a solarium for a few weeks? 😀😀😀

Don't forget the sunblock though! Lol

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Winbert Hutahaean
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 - posted October 30, 2016 04:35 AM      Profile for Winbert Hutahaean     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If there are no metal parts just try to microwave it. It may dissapaer it.

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Phil Murat
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 - posted October 30, 2016 04:57 AM      Profile for Phil Murat   Email Phil Murat   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Micro Wave Hoven, this is a good idea, unfortunately impossible to do that for Elmo Lens, even Beaulieu Lens where primary barrel is metal

Solarium is a good idea, however it takes time as concentration / cm2 is not high
UV rays are compatible for metal or plastic parts as well

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Andrew Woodcock
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 - posted October 30, 2016 05:38 AM      Profile for Andrew Woodcock         Edit/Delete Post 
Just a bit of fun mate, that's all. 😀😀😀

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Phil Murat
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No problem Andrew, anyway I am very exciting to make the experience......with an "Homemade" solarium ! [Wink]

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Terry Sills
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 - posted October 30, 2016 07:33 AM      Profile for Terry Sills     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It has been mentioned on this forum before that uv light, particularly sunlight, does destroy fungus growth. I have also heard this from a reputable source who repairs top quality cameras and lenses. I have no idea how much exposure to uv light is required though but any reduction must be good I would have thought.

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Phil Murat
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 - posted October 30, 2016 08:23 AM      Profile for Phil Murat   Email Phil Murat   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Terry,

It seems to be truth, and this is a very good news.

However the process needs many hours of exposure to UV Rays, depending on the power source.

A serious Compagny is developping such a process based on Xenon UV Flashlight (Faster than Fluo Tubes) to treat virus in Medical Laboratories...

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Terry Sills
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Repeat post - sorry

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Phil Murat
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 - posted November 01, 2016 07:26 AM      Profile for Phil Murat   Email Phil Murat   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I am in touch with a compagny specialised in sterilization for medical equipements.
They can make "hot" or "cold" sterilization.

Abviously, I am interested in the "cold" sterilization process using "Gamma" Rays méthod.
This is the most powerfull method which is supposed to kill ALL virus, bacterias, fungus, breaking their ADN chains in a one shot !!.
They tell me they treat medical lenses too.

There is a high probability this method works for films too, however , to be confirm.
The other question is the price (batch price or price by item, etc....)

Now, we know different processes are possible with different efficiencies and results

To follow

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Paul Browning
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Phil, your research has reminded me of a project at the company I work for, in which batches of supermarket food is passed through a process that kills the bacteria while in the container, and prolongs the shelf life, using some kind of gamma ray or uv light. If I say more I may have to shoot everyone on the forum reading this.

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Dominique De Bast
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Paul, I wish to live some more years, so I will stop reading your messages [Smile]
Phil, what is the French forum you refered to ?

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Mathew James
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One of my elmo lenses may have some slight fungus, i am not sure. I've tried cleaning the surface and it looks clean as anything, but when i project and see some light coming through, i can notice a 'smear' look on part of the lens that doesn't remove from wiping, so it may reside on inside of glass.

I a wondering if my daughters turtle light over the tank which gives UV spectrum light might help...

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Phil Murat
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Mathew, check the power of the tube and also what kind of UV is produced, I mean UV A, B or C. C rate is the more efficient against bacterias, virus. Anyway , it seems even UV A works, depending on time of exposure.

Dominique, here it is (sorry this is in French Language) :

FUNGUS UV KILLING EXPERIENCE
Dominique, Let me know your feeling about it
I assume there are others TIP for Fungus problem, somewhere.

Paul , "Gamma" Rays is the most sensitive process and can be dangerous for operators. So , at this time , a few compagnies can only do the job in restrictive conditions. But process is going to be developped

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Mathew James
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Thanx Phil.
The bulb specs are 5% UVB Output, 30% UVA Output, FULL SPECTRUM...it seems these come in 2 flavours, either 5% or 10%, and being fluorescent, about 25W.

turtle bulb [Smile]

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Dominique De Bast
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Thanks for the link, Phil. It seems that there are more questions than firm answers, except for the fact that most of the contributors seem to agree that fungus are "contagious". The French forum is dedicated to still photography and the lenses discussed are the ones you put on cameras. As said on the French forum, some of these lenses have an anti-UV treatment so exposing the lens in the sun or to another UV source won't help. The projector lenses have probably (but I may be wrong) no anti-UV treatment so it may work (I read on our forum that exposing a contaminated lens in the sun helps).

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Paul Browning
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Most photo quality lens have some kind of multi coating, but I was under the impression this is to stop flair and stigmatism of the taken picture, maybe it does stop uv light, but why would you have this filter built into some projectors, if only to reflect heat and uv from reaching the film plane. How much uv do you need, more than the sun can provide ???, surely this is the ingress of moisture into the barrel of the lens, and the mould formed from it, but it tends not to grow in scale, you get some, but not more. The heat from the lamp and it cooling down must be perfect a breeding ground for this. I always use de ionised water to clean lens, always have, it does not tend fog up I have found, but of course to get into the lens is best. The uv can stop the advance but does it disappear afterward, subjective.

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