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Bart Smith
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 - posted September 15, 2008 02:38 PM      Profile for Bart Smith   Author's Homepage   Email Bart Smith   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I've been getting unsolicited email from this address for a while. I've sent emails back asking to unsubscribe, but he/she doesn't take any action.

I'm 99.99% sure that it is someone on this forum - If so, can someone point a finger towards the guilty party and see if they could stop spamming my inbox.

Bart

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Barry Attwood
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 - posted September 15, 2008 03:11 PM      Profile for Barry Attwood   Email Barry Attwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bart,

I've just done a search for his name on the forum and its not recognised, I've been getting email from him for over a year now too, but my email is easy to get being a dealer and all, but I quite agree it is annoying to get unsolicited email, can't you block his email via your internet provider.

The one thing I have noticed about his list of films, he doesn't seem to sell many of them, I think some of them especially his features are far too dear.

Perhaps some of our U.S. members may knoe more about this Fred K. Willders .

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Steve Klare
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 - posted September 15, 2008 03:26 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
He has come up here before:

http://8mmforum.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=002468

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Mike Peckham
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 - posted September 15, 2008 04:25 PM      Profile for Mike Peckham   Email Mike Peckham   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I get his emails too, I delete them unread...

Mike

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Dan Lail
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 - posted September 15, 2008 04:45 PM      Profile for Dan Lail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Fred K. Wilders is okay. I bought Monty Python & The Holy Grail from him. It is in very good condition. He doesn't own a computer and uses the local library's computer. You can call him or email him if interested. I believe Kevin F had good luck with a Fred purchase also. His prices are not firm. He will take offers too. [Smile]

[ September 15, 2008, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: Dan Lail ]

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Lance Alspaugh
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Gentlemen,

I have purchased several titles from Fred, and while his email address may induce caution, his prints have been top notch and as Dan mentioned, he accepts reasonable offers. He currently has some fairly tough to get titles for sale.

LA

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted September 15, 2008 05:35 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
He will haggle, but he is hard to haggle down, though. I did by my VERY RARE copy of "Close Encounter" from him, as well as my prints of "The French Connection" and my prints "Rocky 3" and "Children of a Lesser God", and they have all had excellent color and sound. He took very good care of his films. Totally reliable.

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Brian Hendel
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 - posted September 15, 2008 06:57 PM      Profile for Brian Hendel     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I can also attest to Fred's character (even though I question people without computers in this day and age!) A year or so ago I purchased literally a case of about 10 horror features including some very sought after titles (Bride of Frankenstein, Ghidrah to name a couple)and they were all fantastic. They were all under $100 each which is hard to beat. He takes very good care of his films - mounting them all on 800' Elmo reels. So he is reliable.

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Bart Smith
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 - posted September 16, 2008 03:06 AM      Profile for Bart Smith   Author's Homepage   Email Bart Smith   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm sure he may well be reliable, that isn't the issue. Maybe if I ever met the guy in person I would find him enjoyable company, and go away with fond memories of our time together.

My point is that just because he is peddling films as opposed to Viagra, and isn't offering me a share of a $1,500,000 fortune that he has been fortunate enough to stumble across, doesn't mean that his messages aren't SPAM.

I'm not averse to getting the odd unsolicited email - you never know, there might be something of interest to me in it.

What I DO really dislike is that when I have specifically asked to be removed from the mailing list it hasn't happened.

Dan reckons that he send his emails from a library. I'm pretty certain that if my local library caught me sending unsolicited emails using their free internet access facilities I would be banned pretty damn quick, or at least get a sharp dressing-down from a fearsome looking matronly head-librarian.

EVEN WORSE... I just checked out the 2 recent emails again, and I can read the addresses of all the other 73 recipients. Now who, I wonder, is psychedelicoyster[AT]yahoo[DOT].com???

If I read the email headers I get the following report...

X-Spam-Report:
* 0.6 NO_REAL_NAME From: does not include a real name
* 1.2 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals
* 1.8 DISGUISE_PORN_MUNDANE BODY: Attempts to disguise mundane words used
* in porn
* 2.5 SARE_OBFUPORNO BODY: masked spam word(s)
* 0.9 SOMETHING_FOR_ADULTS BODY: Possible porn - Adult Web Sites
* 0.3 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email
* 0.1 HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY BODY: HTML has "tbody" tag
* 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message
* 0.3 HTML_FONT_BIG BODY: HTML tag for a big font size
* 0.5 INTERRUPTUS RAW: Message looks to contain HTML-interrupted text
* 1.0 UPPERCASE_75_100 message body is 75-100% uppercase
* 0.0 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419)
* -2.3 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list

Frankly its a wonder that with an email address like the one he has and his lack of knowledge about how emails are flagged as being spam that anyone ever gets to read it.

Bart

[ September 16, 2008, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: Bart Smith ]

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Maurice Leakey
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 - posted September 16, 2008 05:29 AM      Profile for Maurice Leakey   Email Maurice Leakey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
These replies have been interesting. I too have received emails but my Spam filter has listed them among all the other awful offerings. I have immediately deleted all of them.

But, next time I get one, I may open it. May.

We are always advised not to open anything that we don't recognise. And at my age I don't think Viagra would be any good to me. Does it cure headaches?

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Michael O'Regan
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 - posted September 16, 2008 05:40 AM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Does this guy have any 16mm?

-Mike

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peter booth
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 - posted September 16, 2008 05:57 AM      Profile for peter booth   Email peter booth       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm also getting these emails,my spam filter takes them out and I delete unread,no idea who he/she is but they arrive on a regular basis,
Regards,Peter.

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Bill Brandenstein
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 - posted September 16, 2008 11:50 AM      Profile for Bill Brandenstein   Email Bill Brandenstein   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Guys, at this point the spam bots use any and all known email addresses. I have seen the problem come full circle so that the most inappropriate garbage has been seen coming from my own work address (and since I work at a church, that's pretty bad). Definitely did not come from me. Unfortunately, others' spam filters could delete this garbage and make it impossible for me to legitimately get in touch.

By the way, far greater than 90% of our work email never reaches us because it is spam and eliminated by software. What an evil problem.

So let's not blame Fred. He may not even be aware that there's a problem. And three cheers for Kevin and others who re-edit posts containing real email addresses, which helps cut down on this kind of thing.

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Bart Smith
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Hi Bill,

With all due respect I think you're missing the point. The emails that I receive from Fred all relate to 8mm films, so I don't think his address is being used to perpetrate 419 scams or anything similar.

I refer to it as Spam because it is:

A) Unsolicited.
B) I am not offered an option to opt-out.
C) If I ask to be removed, no action is taken.

My understanding is that this practice is illegal in the USA under the terms of the CAN-SPAM act. Here is a quote from the FTA's website (see www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/canspam.shtm)

I quote the following from that page:
quote:
It requires that your email give recipients an opt-out method. You must provide a return email address or another Internet-based response mechanism that allows a recipient to ask you not to send future email messages to that email address, and you must honor the requests. You may create a "menu" of choices to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to end any commercial messages from the sender.

Any opt-out mechanism you offer must be able to process opt-out requests for at least 30 days after you send your commercial email. When you receive an opt-out request, the law gives you 10 business days to stop sending email to the requestor's email address. You cannot help another entity send email to that address, or have another entity send email on your behalf to that address. Finally, it's illegal for you to sell or transfer the email addresses of people who choose not to receive your email, even in the form of a mailing list, unless you transfer the addresses so another entity can comply with the law.

Each violation of the above provisions is subject to fines of up to $11,000. Deceptive commercial email also is subject to laws banning false or misleading advertising.

So my suggestion would be that someone who knows Fred contacts him and reminds him of his obligations under Federal Law, and of the potential penalties that he might face.

Like I say, I'm sure he's a great guy etc.

As for the excellent work that Kevin and Doug do moderating the board and removing valid email links, I'm sure that most experienced users of online forums know better than to post genuine addresses. I certainly don't, and as far as I am aware no-one other than myself edited any of my posts.

The problem with the software that this forum runs on is that if you click a members profile and they have entered an email address in there it is visible. I'm pretty sure that is the method that Fred used to harvest the email address of forum members. On most other forums you can only contact other members using PMs, so that you never get to see their actual email address.

Bart

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Osi Osgood
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 - posted September 16, 2008 01:23 PM      Profile for Osi Osgood   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah, Fred's no spammer, no doubt, he got everybodys address from some kind of server. Being that it takes a good week for him to get back to anybody, I beleive that he only gets to the library once a week. And he is reliable.

For trivia buffs, he is an actor (past tense) and played a major character in the TV series "The Fugitive".

Hah! I'll let you stew in your juices as to who it was, (no, it's obviously NOT Patrick Magohan)

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Bart Smith
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quote:
Yeah, Fred's no spammer, no doubt, he got everybodys address from some kind of server
IMO the server that he got them from is the one that hosts this forum.

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Dan Lail
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 - posted September 16, 2008 03:51 PM      Profile for Dan Lail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would think a film collector would be glad to receive a list of film sales. It only takes a second to delete it. [Smile]

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Michael O'Regan
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 - posted September 16, 2008 04:21 PM      Profile for Michael O'Regan   Email Michael O'Regan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have to agree with Dan.

I receive a lot of 16mm sales lists from various sellers at different times. I'm glad to get them, even though some of them I don't recall asking for. There is often nice stuff on there that I wouldn't otherwise get to hear about.

Not sure what the big deal is.

-Mike

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Rob Koeling
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The first reason why it is a big deal is the fact that it is unsolicited. But I don't think think that Bart would have complained if 'Mastervirus2000' had taken him off the list when he asked to do so. I think it is outrageous that he hasn't done that and I am puzzled why people are defending these practices.

If this is ok, then maybe people shouldn't complain about the Viagra, penis enlargement and 'chatting with hot russian babes' emails either (you know, they might come in handy sooner or later and it only takes a second to delete them....). It is just not on. It is against commonly agreed good internet practice (and not only internet practice) to follow certain rules. Bart is (very rightly so) only complaining about violations of these rules. 'Mastervirus1000' might just be ignorant (although I very much doubt it; he is clever enough to harvest email addresses and send out mass emails). Quite a few of you guys seem to have dealings with him. Please point out to him that the should at least honor people's request to be taken of his list.

- Rob

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Kevin Faulkner
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Ok Guys....cool it [Frown]

I have done business with Fred and he's really great to deal with. Yes it is a pain that he only uses a library computer once a week and for some of you a pain that he has sent an unsolicited email to you.

Fred is one single guy who deals in used films and not in any sort of big way as you can see from his lists.

I bought the ET feature from him which was on earlier lists and I have to say it's one of the best super8 prints I have in my collection. It was on Elmo 1200ft spools in their boxes and shipped in a 16mm fibre box to make sure it didnt suffer any damage. It is a pur hobby to him.

I think you will find that Fred simply went through the forum and noted down collectors who may be interested in his film sales along with their email addresses as displayed within the posts and then emailed you guys completely unaware that he would be upsetting people because they were getting unsolicited mail.
He certainly wouldn't have got an address list from Brads servers as the security is too high for that.

I for one am glad he did email me his list as I would never have that copy of ET in my collection. One email/month about film sales amongst the rest of the crap I get in my email box I can put up with and If I really dont want it I can put the address in a filter or black list so it never gets through.

Yes if you mail him to ask him not to send any more then yes he should stop but in the meantime if anyone doesnt want mails from Fred then please let me know and I will contact him on behalf of the forum.

He is certainly not a malicious person and he's not even particularly computer literate but just trying to let people know he has some films for sale that may be of interest.

I think that where spamming is concerned these days it the one single email that goes out to thousands of recipients from one email address which is no longer available after the mail is sent not the likes of poor old Fred who has sent a film list to maybe 50 people so come on guys don't be so hard on him.

Kev.

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Keith Ashfield
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Digressing from the thread somewhat - with reference to Osi's comment about "Fred" being an "ex actor". Are you refering to Bill Raisch, who played the one-armed man in "The Fugitive"? According to the International Movie Database, he died in July 1984 aged 79??
Or is this info wrong? (It wouldn't be the first time).
Any thoughts Osi?

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Alan Rik
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Fred is a funny guy actually! I am working on getting a few prints from him and he doesn't budge much. Some of his prints are a little higher priced than normal but he does seem to be very honest and he does have some rare full length features. I usually scan his list quickly and they are usually the same titles but once in a blue moon he has a really good title in there. You just never know when the next copy of "Freaks" in Super 8 may show up. [Smile] (He doesn't have that one before you all start emailing him!)

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Bart Smith
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 - posted September 17, 2008 08:39 AM      Profile for Bart Smith   Author's Homepage   Email Bart Smith   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't think that anyone believes that he's some kind of master villain, or even a bad guy. Maybe I just got out of the wrong side of the bed when I first posted?

What is worrying is that one of the emails has 74 email addresses in it. That is what really annoyed me, I guess I can live with him sending me emails, but I don't want him regularly divulging my email to 73 other people, even if they too are probably very nice guys etc!

He'd be better off joining this forum and posting his lists in the appropriate sub-forum, that way more people would read them and he'd probably shift many more miles of 8mm...

Bart

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Osi Osgood
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I understand that Bart, that concerns me too.

The One armed man is right! On many of his earlier e-mails, he had stated his name as "Bill Risch" (or however it's spelled, it was the same, except without the "a" in the last name.)

I have wondered, perhaps "Fred" is his real name and "Bill" was his stage name. He also actd in some other things. I don't see any reason why he would just make up playing a character that he wasn't.

I can reitereate that his prices, though a little high at times, are worth the prints, (but try to talk him down if you can.)

By the way, for those intrested, he has a pint of "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins" a somewhat rare optical sound print, for (I think) 65.00 or 75.00 dollars. I have this film and the sharpness is truly stunning AND the sound is great. ovely color. By the way, it also had Wilford Brimley (Quaker Oats ads) and the woman who would play "Captian Janeway" on the Star Trek Series "Voyager", one of those rare features she did before Star Trek Voyager.

There's others I'd like to buy from him, but baby costs have kind of put a "kibosh" on major payments for awhile.

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Dan Lail
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"Viagra, penis enlargement and 'chatting with hot russian babes"....Rob, I don't collect those. [Big Grin] The Russian babes sound like fun, but I don't think that would sit well with the missis. [Big Grin]

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