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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
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posted March 01, 2017 07:46 AM

THE FUGITIVE POLY/LPP PRINT Derann............. £389,00 (SOLD)

This is stunning / as new print

You can send a pm if interested. Payment only via paypal

[ March 02, 2017, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Alberto Carlo Vangelisti ]

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 01, 2017 09:15 AM

PM sent.

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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
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posted March 01, 2017 01:29 PM

Andrew you have mailbox full...I cannot reply to your pm...Warn me in this post when you've emptied the mailbox, so I can reply.

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Andrew Woodcock
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posted March 01, 2017 05:32 PM

Thanks Alberto, I've now emptied some. [Smile]

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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
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posted March 01, 2017 06:28 PM

PM now sent Andrew

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Kevin Clark
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posted March 01, 2017 07:21 PM

Is this really an LPP print Alberto or Agfa as in the case of the Disney features you sent me?

Kevin

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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
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posted March 01, 2017 08:59 PM

This is one unmarked stock poly.
Derann printed a few copies of this title. Stunning colors and brown magnetic stripe

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Kevin Clark
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posted March 02, 2017 03:32 AM

Alberto - look more carefully please using a lupe or similar magnifying lens and you will see either Eastman LPP (as per your listing details) or AG1S AG2S etc. denoting Agfa stock.

This is a very important measure to take as you realise I am sure that LPP prints demand a premium price due to their pre-stripe quality and usually earlier negative print runs.

Kevin

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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
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posted March 02, 2017 03:43 AM

Kevin ...I well know AGS1 2, prestriped etc...it'is an unmarket stock. I well checked ..it's an unmarked stock. I think you do not know that some Derann print was no marked. At the time of this Derann edition kodak not marketed from more time prestriped lpp .... you should know it. As well as almost all collectors know the quality of this release .... that is not marked. That is so from Derann ...not from my lab:)

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Kevin Clark
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posted March 02, 2017 03:58 AM

So, respectfully, as you said yourself at the time The Fugitive was released by Derann there were no LPP stocks why are you listing it as on the superior LPP (ie: pre-striped) stock?

Kevin.

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Mark Todd
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posted March 02, 2017 04:25 AM

Kevins right, there were a few years of Agfa laminated prestripe stock after the Kodak LPP years( about 1982-1990-ish ) and its good stock and stripe and usually very nice prints.

But if its later Agfa( all Derann Agfa, about 1990 ish to 2001 was polyester ) once the earlier in these years actual Agfa prestripe stoped and Derann had to forumulate thier own paste stripe, a right going on, it can be very troublesome paste sound stripe wise like many disneys etc.Tends to be well slit and well running though still.

Kodak Lpp ( the one to have really ) has eastman LPP etc at the sprocket edge in very small red lettering and the date code as well. The film is obviously polyester and the stripe looks rusty on the playing side and jet black from the other.( Agfa is usually just a lighttle darker brown looking at it from the bonded( non playing ) side if you will.) Kodak LPP is a glued on very relibale laminted prestripe and about the best ever.

There were a few years with agfa paste stripe added by Derann where the prints were Ok, still very nicely printed, slit etc but the stripe was all over and thinner and thicker, etc.

Then came the later kodak non prestriped LPP print years where again they had terrible stripe issues with Drann having to forumlate and experiment with stripe again with very mixed results, its also a less stable running stock or as well split, punched, with more wobble or gate shake if you like even though polyester. Filmgaurd helps.

But these kodak polyester stock and then Derann pasted stripe years ( I think about 2001-20011) were very very paste stripe variable, with it all over a bit even in to the film picture etc, thicker, thinner, hard lumps in that get knocked off by the heads and leave holes, actual holes in anyway and rough as Arse`s ( excuse me ) on your sound heads and plastic guides etc. These prints need to be really well filmguarded or they wear your heads like hell obviously as so rough.

Also prints from this period although usually sharp, did vary quite a bit with change-ing personnel etc at the labs, and some is pribnted quite bluey or a bit darker and worth asking about if a pricey print end of the market.

I suppose with what certain colour prints are commanding these days you really need to know.

I think most prints of the Fugative were done in the decent agfa prestripe days.

We`ve mentioned it before but its worth going over again for newbies etc.

Best Mark.

[ March 02, 2017, 05:56 AM: Message edited by: Mark Todd ]

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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
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posted March 02, 2017 04:30 AM

Because mine it is generic description for all prints (POLY / LPP) as there are others on the forum. This is polyester unmarked. After that all of us know what The Fugitive print is... and however at the questions I, as you can see, there is my answer. And it is natural that it is so .... it seems unnecessary to continue on this topic. In fact the film has already been sold ...Who bought him understand it this.

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Kevin Clark
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posted March 02, 2017 04:38 AM

I honestly hope for your sake the buyer doesn't mind receiving a non LPP stock film described as on LPP stock Alberto.

Do you not realise how important this is to get the detail right?

I implore you to just take the time now and check, for instance, your Disney prints for sale on here and change the descriptions from generic Poly/LPP and to specific POLY/AGFA etc. where relevant.

If that is the case that is the least collectors can expect before purchasing films from you.

If it were 16mm would you say 'IB Tech' instead of Agfa - no I don't think you would and Super 8 listings deserve to be given exactly the same amount of accurate information to enable buyers to make a fully informed choice pre-sale.

Kevin

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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
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posted March 02, 2017 04:50 AM

Andrew you are not the defender of all collectors. Everyone can sell what want, without the need for the description of an encyclopedic dictionary. After that for doubts and questions, as you see, I answer clearly. There is no need to impart lessons. We all know what we're talking....

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Mark Todd
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posted March 02, 2017 04:53 AM

Its also worth mentioing the CHC years when Derann first did thier prints.

Initially these were Agfa polyester, prestriped then paste and a few later paste kodaks around 1991. Then CHC prints ( are these dats about right ? ) went to Acetate and tend to have a slightly subdued colour so worth asking on these.

They run well enough but tend to need filmgauard as a harder thicker stock, and you can get odd instances of the glues on the glued on sound stripe coming way too so worth asking about that as well on pricey features.

Now CHC are back to polyester with paste stripe I believe ?

You possibly best describing earlier CHC features as Agfa polyester, prestriped or paste, about a year in 91 or so was was paste poorish stripe LPP and later prints are best not described as LPP as aceate etc but best as aceate low fade.

Hi Alberto its just good to get the informastion out there with prices etc no reflection on yourself at all. The prints sound wonderful. I do agree with Kevin if you expected an LPP print but got an Agfa etc you would be dissapointed.

I suppose its all down to personal likes or expectations etc.

But also with international post costs etc its worth being on the button anyway.

Best Mark.

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Kevin Clark
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posted March 02, 2017 05:01 AM

I think your above reply Alberto (I am Kevin by the way not Andrew) speaks volumes about your real goals when selling your films to the members on here - I just hope others don't get treated as abominably by you post-sale as I have been.

Kevin

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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
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posted March 02, 2017 05:20 AM

Kevin ... sure, it was just a typo, just for the fact that I sent a pm to Andrew for other topic ... that's all.
You've been treated very well, but I do not think the case to expose here our personal things.
Mark, as you can see my answers are clear. However....It 'full of ads here where they do not even refer to the stock etc. What are we doing ? I do not think it is appropriate to remove them all ... after that any doubts and questions I am here for answers. Please , you can ask of course...It'so.
Now, however, I think does not make sense to continue this topic so. this is only a topic to sell ...

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Mark Todd
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posted March 02, 2017 05:29 AM

Hi Alberto its always good to go through these things for newbies to the hobby or people who decide to go towards features.

Personnaly I have an upper limit on films of about £100 even that assuming the EX isn`t looking !!!!or OH DEAR etc !!! so never likely to own a modern feature. Though I would of bought the Robin Hood Ian had ( on the very quiet, there are about 3 super 8 features I would sell up a few bits for ).

And I always have to keep a few bits moving along anyway.

I do have a few 16mm things and the odd 8mm I would never sell but super 8 is pretty fluid, a bit more like hiring really for me.

Best Mark.

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Alberto Carlo Vangelisti
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posted March 02, 2017 05:42 AM

Ok Mark, I understand.
I wish you a happy continuation in this wonderful hobby. When you want I am here [Smile]

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Douglas Meltzer
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posted March 02, 2017 10:05 AM

Since the film has sold, I'll be closing this topic. I would like to add that accuracy is important. My suggestion would be to mention that the stock is unmarked. The prints of this title are fairly well known to be of excellent quality.

Doug

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