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Vidar Olavesen
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From: Sarpsborg, Norway
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posted October 12, 2013 06:12 AM

Anyone has a 220V projector, Regular 8 and with sound at a decent price or a tip for a good one, so I know what to search for?

Anyone know if they have hardware for sale at BFCC too? Maybe I find one there, but it would be nice to know what to avoid and what to look for.

Thanks

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John Capazzo
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From: Hillside, NJ USA
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posted October 12, 2013 07:31 AM

Vidar,

I was just in South Africa and came across a Eumig dual 8 sound in a second hand shop that worked. The city was Durban. It wasn't any of the 800 series but the projector was 220v. Unsure if the shop has a phone number. I don't remember the name of the shop, but I'll ask my wife to get the name and phone number (if he has). South Africa has surface and economy shipping rate unlike USA which only send by air.

John

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 12, 2013 11:09 AM

The Eumig Mark S was probably the first Eumig sound projector and was available as a Standard 8 model. At an extra price a Super 8 model was also available. Some references describe it as a dual-gauge projector but this is wrong.

Having said that, these could now be near 50 years old. Why don't you look out for a later dual gauge Eumig, many of which turn up regularly.

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Terry Sills
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posted October 12, 2013 12:28 PM

If you can find a Eumig 824 it is a top of the range dual guage Super 8 /Standard 8 machine which claims High Quality sound and is a very nice projector. Only drawback is that you have to change sprockets and gates when changing format. They tend to be a bit pricy sometimes, but I think worth it.

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Vidar Olavesen
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posted October 12, 2013 12:53 PM

What price range is that 824? I don't mind changing sprockets, as it would stay with Regular on at all times. Eumig, do they all use that disc thing instead of belts? I do have the Mark-S 710D and it needs to get up to speed before I load film. I was hoping to avoid that on the new one I would like to buy.

Thanks for the suggestions

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 12, 2013 02:03 PM

The 824 is a highly desirable projector but doesn't come cheap. I can recommend Stephan Binder in Vienna who has a lot of Eumigs, including an 824 for €239. I have purchased quite a few projectors from him.

Here is his site:-

http://www.super8film.at/

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 13, 2013 01:36 AM

Here is an interesting standard 8 sound projector. The Italian made Cirse Sound was introduced in 1958.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cirse-Sound-Cine-Projector-8mm-Vintage-item/200972307257?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D18219%26mei d%3D1932801885634077623%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D8342%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D231071772510%26

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Lee Mannering
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posted October 13, 2013 03:24 AM

The best choice for a dual 8 sound projector is most certainly the Eumig 810D ‘Lux’. The only real difference between the 824 and 810 is a high low lamp switch, the sonomatic recording system, recording meter and you will save yourself much money Vidar. I would be very surprised if you don’t see any Eumig sound projectors at BFCC. [Cool]

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Vidar Olavesen
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posted October 13, 2013 03:57 AM

Super ... I don't need the sound recording at all, the lamp is okay enough (it's 100W I assume?)

Phil Sheard aid he might have some, so I'll see what pops up.

The Cirse looked really cool, but if it's not working, I'd be in trouble and the pick up only makes it harder too

Thank you, now I know two models to look for

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 13, 2013 04:45 AM

I agree with Lee. The Lux has a f1.2 lens, other than that, it's the same as the 810D HQS which probably is cheaper to buy. Yes. 100 watt lamp.
http://www.super8data.com/database/projectors_list/projectors_eumig/eumig_mark_s810d.htm

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Terry Sills
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posted October 16, 2013 12:52 PM

Maurice/Lee
Vidar has mentioned that he wants to avoid the 'spinning disc' drive system. From memory I think all the Eumig 800 series have this system, which can be troublesome. Am I correct? My experience with this system is that the bearings of the motor are encased in a plastic mount, which on some machines deteriorates and crumbles with age. The result is that when the motor rocks forward or back to give drive in either forward or reverse, the precision of movement is lost and the spinning disc does not apply the correct pressure, thus the drive is erratic. Can be resolved but very fiddly with much trial and error to get it right. Saying that I have had quite a few projectors that were absolutely fine.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 16, 2013 02:15 PM

Terry
You are quite right in what you say. Vidar specifically wants to run standard 8 sound. There were a few, very few, standard 8 sound projectors on the market before the advent of Super 8, but these are all now old and may not be in good working condition.
It appears that the only answer is to go for a Eumig dual gauge, they are always available and a non-working one can be acquired quite cheap for use as spares.
There is one dual gauge other than Eumig and this is the Duo Sound 225 Electronic (and its cloned brothers) but as you know these are not really to be recommended.

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Terry Sills
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posted October 17, 2013 06:41 AM

Yes I would not recommend the Duo 225, but I have recently acquired a Imac Bisonix (again Super 8/Standard 8 sound and a clone of the Duo) but it seems a better quality and has an aliminium chassis. Not able to give an opinion yet because the amp is in for repair, but I'm hoping it's a better performer. We'll see.

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Maurice Leakey
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posted October 17, 2013 10:04 AM

There is nothing wrong with the design of the Duo Sound, but for those not familiar with the projector it is a dual gauge sound machine which changes gauge with the simple sliding of a single lever. It even forms the correct size sound loops. The problem is that there is so much to go wrong with the various interlinked controls. I am pleased to say that mine has now been restored to full working condition.

Here is a link to one of its brother clones to which Terry refers.

http://www.super8data.com/database/projectors_list/projectors_imac/projectors_imac.htm

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