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David Pannell
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Horsham, West Sussex, UK
Registered: Nov 2004

- posted January 12, 2007 04:27 AM      Profile for David Pannell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Have been looking, as you know, for a 16mm machine, and the recommendation has been for either an Eiki or a B&H.

There are 2 Eikis on eBay at the moment, but I am a little confused. [Confused]

I know the RT-2 is both optical and magnetic, but the ST-2H is listed also as being optical and magnetic; yet Juergen Lossau's book states that the ST-2H is magnetic only.

Can anyone please clarify; and which of the two would be the better machine?

Many thanks.

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Dave.

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David Park
Master Film Handler

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From: UK
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- posted January 12, 2007 06:33 AM      Profile for David Park   Email David Park   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I only found this one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EIKI-ELF-MODEL-ST-2H-16mm-SOUND-CINE-FILM-PROJECTOR_W0QQitemZ260074126568QQihZ016QQcategoryZ11722QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The ST2H I assume you mention, well the pictures show it as mag/opt.
He says he as been running opt. prints, but as he as no magnetic film is selling it as opt. only.
He has 100% Feedback for over 400 transactions, think you should read them.

Can you give detail of the other auction and I will read that as well.

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David

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David Pannell
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- posted January 12, 2007 08:01 AM      Profile for David Pannell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi David,

The other one is item No. 120072495997

It is the RT-2 model according to the first couple of words in the description.

Many thanks for your continued assistance with this 16mm thing!!

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Dave.

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David Park
Master Film Handler

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- posted January 12, 2007 08:21 AM      Profile for David Park   Email David Park   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Read that now.
Not very informative with description. Does not give delivery cost.
So if you are interested you need to question him.

Do you need a magnetic sound projector? In all my years I have not needed a magnectic projector. I do have a couple of B&H machines with magnetic and the only film is one I bought specialy to test them.

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David

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David Pannell
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- posted January 12, 2007 09:31 AM      Profile for David Pannell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
No. I don't think I do need a magnetic machine. It's just that I'd like to know what I am getting - and if it happens to be magnetic as well - then that's a bonus, I guess. Clearly there seems to be little point in getting a magnetic only machine, but of course I need to be sure, as some machines were, I believe magnetic only!?!?

Anyway, on balance, which do you think would be the better machine - assuming all things being equal?

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Dave.

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Antoine Orsero
Master Film Handler

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From: marseille france
Registered: Jun 2003

- posted January 25, 2007 01:39 PM      Profile for Antoine Orsero   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello,
Who could say to me how to lubricate a projector EIKI and where to find parts?
Thank you very much [Smile]

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Tony

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Rob Koeling
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From: Brighton, UK
Registered: Jun 2003

- posted January 26, 2007 03:43 AM      Profile for Rob Koeling     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Antoine,

Which parts are you after?

- Rob

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David Park
Master Film Handler

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- posted January 26, 2007 03:57 AM      Profile for David Park   Email David Park   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Often good advice to buy 3, goes for any make, have 1 in use have the second as a runner also but spare to stand in for the first. The third to provide spares for the others.

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David

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Antoine Orsero
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- posted January 26, 2007 05:07 AM      Profile for Antoine Orsero   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
belts for super Eiki slot-load

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Tony

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David Park
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- posted January 26, 2007 06:04 AM      Profile for David Park   Email David Park   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Belts for Eiki/Elf see Ebay UK.

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David

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Graham Ritchie
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- posted January 26, 2007 12:30 PM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
David
I have both Eiki and Bell and Howell, the projector I prefer is the Bell and Howell 1680 Slot Loader "black model" the reason for this is the fact that it has a three claw pull down compared with two with the Eiki, this makes the B/H more forgiving on some of the old film I use. The problem with the B/H is the worm gear splitting but in the 10yrs plus that I have used it I haven't had any problems, I am not sure if this was solved by the time the 1680 black model came out? apart from usual cleaning and basic maintenance the B/H has been a most reliable projector.

Regards Graham.

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David Park
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- posted January 26, 2007 12:53 PM      Profile for David Park   Email David Park   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My main 3 B&H machines are the later dark grey models like yours but auto loading, and I agree these last models appear to have a better worm gear. ( An expert told me otherwize, but I've not seen one with a cracked worm gear.)
The similar machines in green I've not had one yet with a good worm gear. Previous models to that about 50/50 good/bad.
I've never used a slot loading in any make/model, allways auto or manual threading.

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David

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Graham Ritchie
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- posted January 27, 2007 12:30 PM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi David
The slot loader is real easy to thread just crank a leaver down push the film in and push the leaver back up. The big advantage is the ease to remove or thread film at any time during projection.
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For the last few years I have been using a Philips ELC/5H 24V 250Watt the lamp is rated for 500hrs life and is only slightly more expensive than the normal 50hr one, seems to going well.

Graham.

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David Park
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- posted January 27, 2007 01:07 PM      Profile for David Park   Email David Park   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Do you find the longer life bulb is less bright or maybe not noticable.
I note you have a main brand name. Here in the UK these longer life lamps are very often plain boxed ones and are used in stage and disc lights, and are said to be less accurate in manufacture, I guess this means possition of the filament. Usually cheaper too than a brand name projector bulb.

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David

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Graham Ritchie
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- posted January 28, 2007 04:50 AM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
David
You are quite right I dont think its as bright, however I put that down to thinking that the lamp filament could be thicker to give it the extra life, 500hrs is quite a bit, well thats the theory. [Roll Eyes] The full name is Philips Broadway the numbers on the box is 13163/5H, ELC/5H I would recomend trying one and see how you get on. I use the B/H a lot and a small loss of light doesent seem to be that noticeable when projecting a film.
Graham.

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Antoine Orsero
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- posted February 14, 2007 04:29 AM      Profile for Antoine Orsero   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hello,
I search the pulley with double throat for the shifting of speed of EIKI SL1! See image! Who could provide it to me? Thank you
[Roll Eyes]

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John Whittle
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From: Northridge, CA USA
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- posted February 14, 2007 08:55 PM      Profile for John Whittle   Email John Whittle       Edit/Delete Post 
Make sure you get the pulleys from a country with the same frequency of current. They are different for 50hz and 60hz countries since the motor runs at different speeds on different cycles of current.

My projector has but a single drive area and it's for the flat 3V belt, not the round belt. Also you should get the matching motor pulley at the same time as the shutter pulley. Both must be matched for proper speed.

John

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David Kilderry
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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- posted February 15, 2007 05:05 AM      Profile for David Kilderry   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I too have both Eiki and Bell & Howell. My projector of choice is the B & H 1680 for all the reasons mentioned above. The slot loaders really are great for a number of reasons. I used ti hire a lot of film and it did not matter how bad the leaders were, with the slot load you just draped it through and locked it, away you went.

Eiki's are clever and well made and give a good steady picture too. In Australia they were branded Hanimex Eiki.

Avoid any green Bell & Howells, the worm gears are weak. I have never known one to break or crack in a charcoal (black) late model projector.

David

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