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Graham Ritchie
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posted February 06, 2007 07:36 PM

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Well thats what the owners of the cinema told me after putting up with my moans and groans last year one new projector [Smile]

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I arrived back from holiday and there it was, took me 20 min to figure out how to use it one of the quietest 35mm projectors I have come across. German made, "Kinoton"

Neat!!!

The little device at the top is the DTS timecode reader head, it synchronizes playback from a CD-ROM disc.

Well thats a quick tour, 35mm is still alive and well in this video age. One amusing story just before Christmas we were finishing the screening of "Ergon" I went into the theatre and there was a lady with her grandchildren watching the last of the credits, as we were quiet I asked them if they would like to see the projectors and showed them how we went about threading our new toy. [Cool]

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I got the kids to start the next season and I told them as I dident have my glasses on, [Wink]

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they both would have to do the scope change for me. I asked the girl to press the scope masking button, and her brother to also press the lens scope button, both at the same time at the end of the trailers, the look of concentration at the screen waiting for the moment was amazing when it came I said get ready''''get set''''' go "spot on" they were pleased and I told them they were now officialy projectionist"s and left with big smiles with bits of film.I dont often get the time to show people around but I must say the look of wonderment is always the same.

Graham [Smile]

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Stewart McSporran
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posted February 06, 2007 09:33 PM

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Fascinating!

I notice that the CD says disk A. How many CDs are there for a modern feature?

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Graham Ritchie
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posted February 06, 2007 11:24 PM

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Stuart
Depends on the running time of the film, eg a short film it will say one disc only, others will be two disc's marked disc A the other disc B, those discs can be loaded in any order, and even if the projectionist forgets to put them in and the feature film has started, the sound will run in analog until they are loaded. If this happens it takes roughly 15-20 seconds to sort itself out and for the sound to synchronize and automatically switch back over to DTS. DTS in my view has better sound quality and is more reliable than Dolby Digital, strangely very few cinemas here in this city have it.

Graham.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted February 07, 2007 01:00 AM

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Graham, I take it those discs can be played in a normal CD player?

Kev.

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John Clancy
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posted February 07, 2007 06:51 AM

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I've just slapped a DTS disc in my DVD-ROM drive so let's see what happens...

Nothing! They contain *.AUD files so I presume the DTS.EXE file at the root has to be installed and receive a time code via something or other.

Great story Graham and great pictures. When I come over I want to press those buttons too.

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Graham Ritchie
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posted February 07, 2007 01:09 PM

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Kev
I have never tried it I dont think it would work, Jonn is right the DTS system checks a keyed serial number in the timecode and on the discs to make sure the correct sound is being played with the right film otherwise it wont work. John if you are ever out here you are more than welcome to press the buttons [Smile]

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there are plenty to push in this cinema.

Graham [Smile]

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted February 07, 2007 04:06 PM

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Obviously the players for these discs must be made specially for playing this particular file format.

Kev.

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David Ahrens
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posted February 08, 2007 09:16 AM

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There is a codec you can get to play older DTS disks in winamp but the newer DTS disks I believe have had the protecetion changed so do not work.

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Brad Miller
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posted February 09, 2007 06:51 PM

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Starting with the 2nd Lord of the Rings movie, anything newer has special copy protection that to date has not been cracked. If you do a search on the forums at www.film-tech.com you can find the crack to play earlier discs, but it really doesn't do you much good without a 35mm print. You would be better off getting a 5.1 mix from a DVD.

Kinotons are the best projectors ever for 35mm. They also make combination 35mm/16mm (FP38 model). For the last few years I have been installing Kinotons exclusively into commercial 35mm theaters. Here is an example of a Kinoton install I did last year. I gutted the old equipment from this building and installed new top of the line stuff.

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted February 10, 2007 02:13 PM

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Great pictures. Do I take it that the lamphouse can be a different make of manufacturer to the mechanics.

Kev.

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Winbert Hutahaean
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posted February 11, 2007 11:02 PM

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Well, as we are at small gauge, those big machines look so GIGANTIC!!

cheers,

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted February 12, 2007 01:06 AM

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Yes, but wouldn't you just love to have a play with one [Wink]

[Wink]

Kev

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Graham Ritchie
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posted February 12, 2007 01:06 AM

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Hi Winbert and Kev

If you think those are gigantic check out this site David Park put me on to,
www.dp70.com/images/country/usa/bob/leader.htm

Regards Graham [Smile]

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David Kilderry
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posted February 12, 2007 06:13 AM

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I play with DP70's each night too! - see link above. The only way to fly.

I have to agree with Brad, hands down the most flexible all round projector today for multiplex use is the Kinoton, it is a desendant of the DP70 as Kinoton took over the 35/70mm division of Philips in the mid 1970's.

David

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Kevin Faulkner
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posted February 12, 2007 07:10 AM

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Gobsmacked is the term I would use when I looked at those pics. Obviously with turntables for supply and take-up, the projectors would be a bit smaller.
Are machines like this very noisy in operation?

Kev

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Chip Gelmini
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posted February 12, 2007 07:45 AM

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Everytime I run super 8 using my Towers, how I msut remember the good old days of carbon arc 35mm 20 minute reels, and later on big reel 6000 feet changeover like using a pair of ST1200 machines - one change over per average length film less than 2 hours. The Super 8 Towers bring back the memories of my early years being a projectionist! Sweeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CG

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