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Graham Ritchie
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From: New Zealand
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 - posted August 27, 2011 05:14 PM      Profile for Graham Ritchie   Email Graham Ritchie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was looking "my wife allowed me to do that" at a Panasonic High Definition camera with a hard drive. The salesman was doing the usual sales act. The thing was it was so small I had trouble seeing it [Roll Eyes] ...now, I am not exactly blind as a bat, but why do they make them so small? I have seen dinky toys bigger. Years ago the past owner of the cinema where I work, a self made millionare by the way, came into the projection room and had to put his glasses on "in his 40s" to answer his cell phone. We had a chat about how as you get older the "aging" thing for many of us does affect us in how we see and hear. I also mentioned to him that his hearing will be next [Eek!] . By the time we had finished our wee chat I had made the guy depressed, to cheer him up I let him thread one of his projectors only to tell him that his threading was terrible, the worst I had ever seen. I am good like that, anyway in truth we got on really well [Smile] Now where was I [Roll Eyes] gone of topic...any thoughts on the why everthing must be so small world.

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except TVs [Wink]

Graham.

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Claus Harding
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 - posted August 27, 2011 06:58 PM      Profile for Claus Harding   Email Claus Harding   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Graham,

I would think because most are designed by committee, none of whom actually have to use these things.

You design a small "convenient" camcorder without the proper weight to hand-hold it comfortably. Then you add a load of features (which is the stuff you would want to use, like manual exposure and whatnot) and bury it in menus no-one will ever go through.
Next you get Zeiss (poor Zeiss....) to whore out their name again by saying the optics are "by them" for anyone who still cares, or even knows.

In the end, you have the same result: people walking around, single-hand holding these things, shooting at random in Full Auto mode.

I have shot professionally for 25 years in broadcast, and I have yet to buy a "compact" pro camera for those very same reasons.

Give me a 10-year-old Sony Betacam beast (25lbs) with manual switches for everything, a good lens with real focus and f-stop rings and real meters for monitoring audio....now that works, especially if you are in a hurry to set things. You simply cannot do that quickly on even the pro-grade compacts, because everything is "in menus."

Re: the screens. They don't get that much better as you move up. I work with $20,000 Panasonics and their cute color screens do not allow for the fast, snappy focus a good, high-contrast B/W display will.

Ah, progress..... [Wink]

Claus.

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Steve Klare
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 - posted August 27, 2011 07:03 PM      Profile for Steve Klare   Email Steve Klare   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Graham,

It's all convenience. I have a Canon digital that is shirt pocket sized and takes great pictures. It has its benefits I suppose: since the best camera in the world can't get the picture if it's home in the closet.

I do miss a camera that's big enough to get a good grip on, take a solid stance, pause for a second of thought and snap a still or start a shot though.

(It's just the way my Dad raised me!)

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Paul Adsett
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 - posted August 27, 2011 09:51 PM      Profile for Paul Adsett     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, my 6 year old Sony DVD camera takes great looking still shots as well as movies, and it weighs a couple of pounds and is big enough to hold steady. It's a nice camera and does a good job. But, as Graham says, all the new video cameras look like little toys and are a bit of a joke. If standard 8mm Kodachrome was still available, I would go back to my Bolex C8 with manual focussing, manual aperture setting, and a light meter, at the drop of a hat. The movies I got that way are the best quality I have ever taken.

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Thomas Dafnides
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 - posted September 07, 2011 06:57 PM      Profile for Thomas Dafnides     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Agreed,... its no wonder most serious cameramen are going over to DSLRs to shoot video.

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